Taupe Beats Posted June 17, 2021 Report Share Posted June 17, 2021 Hello Currently using a Critter & Guitari Eyesy, it's wonderful. Patch changing via-receiving MIDI Program Changes opens it up a lot. LFO's to control parameters opens it even further. Currently I'm using a Squarp Pyramid to achieve that and while its wonderful, its way too powerful for it and I'd rather use it elsewhere. So, I am looking for a hardware MIDI controller that matches as many of this list as possible: 1. Small (like a Shruthi) 2. Can create MIDI LFO's that control either CC's or PC's 3. Standalone. No Eurorack for this (want it to be more portable and the rest of the video setup isn't Eurorack either). 4. Hopefully cheap I was looking at the Matthews Effects Futurist but it doesn't appear to generate MIDI LFO's. Any recommendations appreciated, thanks! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Taupe Beats's signature Hide all signatures Mix thread (go here, listen, enjoy): https://forum.watmm.com/topic/95058-very-old-member-idi-amin-new-mixes/ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
user Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) https://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/projects/gizmo/ Seems to tick all the boxes Or otherwise some hybrid combo of some basic midi sequencer thing and a bomebox or bomeboxalike? Edited June 18, 2021 by user Taupe Beats 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
d-a-m-o Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Cirklon Taupe Beats 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taupe Beats Posted June 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Thanks for the recommendations! The Cirklon will eventually be a mid-life crisis purchase, haha. Update on this for anyone curious: Thinking about it a bit more, I don't need any MIDI note sequencing at all. Just the ability for a device to send CC/PC modulation. The Mutable Instruments MIDIpal comes very close but doesn't seems to do LFO's for PC's (which is critical for my needs). The iOS app Rozeta can LFO CC's but doesn't do so currently for PC's. That developer is responsive and very nice. I have submitted a feature request for the LFO app to control Program Changes. Keeping my fingers crossed! d-a-m-o 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Taupe Beats's signature Hide all signatures Mix thread (go here, listen, enjoy): https://forum.watmm.com/topic/95058-very-old-member-idi-amin-new-mixes/ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 social entropy engine elektron digitakt (8 midi tracks 2 lfos per track can do CCs and program changes), similar vibe to octatrack which has 8 midi tracks, more lfos w/custom shapes squarp polyend Seq (i don't think it does LFOs though) that new korg sq-64 is polyphonic and inexpensive there's others but my brain is fogged Taupe Beats 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide ignatius's signature Hide all signatures Releases Sample LIbraries instagram Cascade Data Mastodon Reveal hidden contents "All I know about you is what a knock off Autechre lite artist you are, how many you put out?> same with your fucking mindset, vanilla...........goodnight." - arti Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879452 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taupe Beats Posted June 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Social Entropy Engine looks awesome. Wish I'd have ordered one when it was new ($1500 second hand currently, sheesh). Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Taupe Beats's signature Hide all signatures Mix thread (go here, listen, enjoy): https://forum.watmm.com/topic/95058-very-old-member-idi-amin-new-mixes/ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted June 18, 2021 Report Share Posted June 18, 2021 Toraiz Squid might work for youhttps://www.dv247.com/en_GB/GBP/Toraiz-Squid-Multitrack-Sequencer/art-SYN0006974-000 ignatius and Taupe Beats 2 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide BCM's signature Hide all signatures Bandcamp | Spotify | SoundCloud | Amazon | Apple Music | YouTube | YouTube Music | Deezer | Google Play Music Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 On 6/18/2021 at 9:01 PM, Taupe Beats said: Social Entropy Engine looks awesome. Wish I'd have ordered one when it was new ($1500 second hand currently, sheesh). oh damn. had no idea.. though they were still being made. there's also that little one.. ugh.. let me search for it.. .. the Oxi One https://oxiinstruments.com/ Taupe Beats and BCM 2 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide ignatius's signature Hide all signatures Releases Sample LIbraries instagram Cascade Data Mastodon Reveal hidden contents "All I know about you is what a knock off Autechre lite artist you are, how many you put out?> same with your fucking mindset, vanilla...........goodnight." - arti Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taupe Beats Posted June 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 12:08 AM, ignatius said: oh damn. had no idea.. though they were still being made. there's also that little one.. ugh.. let me search for it.. .. the Oxi One https://oxiinstruments.com/ Yeah it was odd, they did an initial run that sold quickly, then implied they'd do another run and if they did it was very limited. Been sold out for a long time. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Taupe Beats's signature Hide all signatures Mix thread (go here, listen, enjoy): https://forum.watmm.com/topic/95058-very-old-member-idi-amin-new-mixes/ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taupe Beats Posted June 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 On 6/18/2021 at 11:06 PM, BCM said: Toraiz Squid might work for youhttps://www.dv247.com/en_GB/GBP/Toraiz-Squid-Multitrack-Sequencer/art-SYN0006974-000 Totally forgot about this one. That's a cool looking sequencer. BCM 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Taupe Beats's signature Hide all signatures Mix thread (go here, listen, enjoy): https://forum.watmm.com/topic/95058-very-old-member-idi-amin-new-mixes/ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubularCorporation Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) If you like step sequencers, I'm a huge fan of the MIDIbox SEQ v4. If you can build one or find someone to build one (it's not actually nearly as tough as it looks, the hardest part is figuring out an enclosure and navigating the build documentation) it's well worth it, and if you make an acrylic panel instead of aluminum you can easily build the basic Wilba configuration for $400 or less (probably a lot less). I don't remember exactly how much it cost to make mine because I spread the build out over a couple years, but the front panel was by far the most expensive part at $180 and I remember it being nearly half the total cost. I haven't added the CV/gate and network options yet, though. They show up used occasionally but the price really depends on the options and enclosure - I've seen them go used for everything from $600 to over $2000). This one looks decent, but on the expensive side, you could probably do better if you wait long enough and even if you paid someone to build a new one for you it would probably be comparable: https://reverb.com/item/33352289-midibox-sequencer-seq-v4-2018-cherry-wood Either way, the only way to get one at a relatively low price (and downright cheap for what it actually is) is to build it yourself, though. EDIT: there's a partially built one up right now for $150 if you're feeling lucky. Assuming there aren't any mistakes you could finish it for another $100 or so (the front panel PCB was something like $35 last I checked, plus parts- mostly switches and encoders), plus the cost of whatever enclosure you ended up choosing Edited June 19, 2021 by TubularCorporation Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide TubularCorporation's signature Hide all signatures Lagoon City (from here to eternity/when I'm sick of it) Codemus2x43 (2013-14) Golfhammer 40,000 (2014-15) Tubular Corporation (2016-17) THawkins' archive of our livestreams since 2020 Instagram (new releases, music bullshit, non-music bullshit and sometimes photos of my lunch) Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Himelstein Posted June 19, 2021 Report Share Posted June 19, 2021 The mpc live, x, or one can do all this stuff, but is maybe overkill. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879541 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thawkins Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 @Taupe BeatsI remember someone on this forum mentioning the Blokas Midihub, and maybe it is something you want. It does CC LFOS! https://blokas.io/midihub/ Taupe Beats 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide thawkins's signature Hide all signatures We Are The Music Makers | Volume One by Various TELECHARGER: audiovisual experimental space rock livestreams with Tubular Corporation most Tuesdays 8.30PM CET Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879674 Share on other sites More sharing options...
e-mertz Posted June 21, 2021 Report Share Posted June 21, 2021 I have a squid since recent and like a lot so far. If a Pyramid feels like overkill for the job however I'm afraid you might experience the same with this one. I'd recommend a Zaquencer. Should be half the price of a squid, can do all you asked for and is also more portable. Behringer even announnced they'd re-release a new version, but knowing them that could take another years(s). Taupe Beats 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted June 23, 2021 Report Share Posted June 23, 2021 This might be a weird recommendation but you could get a Norns and either use one of the existing apps or code up your own that does exactly what you want. I can't think of many things more capable for the size. A run of the shield version is open for preorder right now, supposed to ship in July: https://market.monome.org/ Full disclosure: I hang out with monome-adjacent people on the innernets so I'm kinda biased. Taupe Beats and d-a-m-o 2 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/101365-hardware-midi-sequencer-recommendation/#findComment-2879845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts