demo Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) Warp recently repressed the completion Artificial Intelligence Vol. 1, in their marketing they decided not to use the term IDM, but instead, electronic listening music Yeah, I know... There have been many attempts to change the term "IDM" to something else, I'm far from the first. People have come up with lots of unique alternatives such as Internal Dance Music and Brain Dance, the latter being one that has been the most successful alternative. The term IDM has always been troublesome with a large amount of people, some people have accepted it, others question it, and then there are some people who outright despise the term, all of which are valid reactions to the term "Intelligent Dance Music". Today, Warp themselves have subconsciously suggested a term they once used all those years ago by bringing it up once again, Electronic Listening Music. With the vinyl repress of the compilation that coined the term IDM 30 years ago. That's a long time for this term to have been in circulation, and I have a feeling it will remain there. However, I've made a conscious effort to start using the term ELM instead, and wanted to suggest this term to a few IDM communities. I love the term "Electronic Listening Music", since it's electronic music for active listening, it seems to me that one of the only kinds of electronic music a large majority of the world pays attention to is Electronic Dance Music, or EDM. Having another genre called Electronic Listening Music, or ELM, makes a lot of sense. In the mind of someone who hears the term "Electronic Listening Music", they might imagine an album experience like Dark Side of the Moon, but made from Electronic Music, oh hey, would you look at that, on the floor? That one over there on the cover of Artificial Intelligence Vol. 1. I imagine people would associate ELM with other types of listening music, not just IDM, but I think that's okay. That's the same issue I see with "Experimental Electronic", another term I've seen a lot of people use. But I think ELM is slightly more subgenre-able than Experimental Electronic. I mean hey, Kraftwerk aren't IDM, but I'd absolutely consider them to be ELM. I think it's fine to have a name like Kraftwerk under the same genre tag as Aphex Twin, in my mind they really work under the same umbrella. I'm going to go with ELM from now on, Warp themselves said it about the exact same release they once used to coin the term IDM. The idea of getting the term ELM from the same compilation and label feels oddly fitting. I might be in my own little world here, but I'm going to make a conscious effort to say ELM instead of IDM. The fact that this compilation is what birthed the term IDM makes it the perfect excuse to change it, It's time for a hard reset. This is just a suggestion, but I would love to see if anyone out there is willing to get on board. Posted this all over Reddit but thought I should come by and share here. This is the mighty WATMM, I can't ignore you guys. Edited November 2, 2022 by demo Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taupe Beats Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 It doesn't matter ambermonk, BaggerMcGuirk, chronical and 3 others 1 5 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Taupe Beats's signature Hide all signatures Mix thread (go here, listen, enjoy): https://forum.watmm.com/topic/95058-very-old-member-idi-amin-new-mixes/ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
demo Posted November 2, 2022 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) On 11/2/2022 at 1:15 PM, Taupe Beats said: It doesn't matter You're right, it doesn't. It's just a suggestion for those who might potentially enjoy using it. On 11/2/2022 at 12:52 PM, demo said: some people have accepted it, others question it, and then there are some people who outright despise the term, all of which are valid reactions to the term "Intelligent Dance Music". It might seem like I have come across as someone who cares a little to much about something so small, but I thought I'd get my thoughts out there in detail. At the end of the day, I really don't care what term anyone uses, or if they even use a term at all. Edited November 2, 2022 by demo Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
th555 Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 I think "listening music" in general is silly. Music is always for listening. The actual differentiator of "listening music" is that you sit down while listening to it. So maybe call it "electronic sitting down music". nobody and zazen 1 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide th555's signature Hide all signatures https://www.youtube.com/user/THkaas/videos https://thisjepisje.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/th555 Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Key Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) Electronic eating music (munchies) Edited November 2, 2022 by Key Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Key's signature Hide all signatures . Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubularCorporation Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Nerd music. Uros and ignatius 1 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide TubularCorporation's signature Hide all signatures Lagoon City (from here to eternity/when I'm sick of it) Codemus2x43 (2013-14) Golfhammer 40,000 (2014-15) Tubular Corporation (2016-17) THawkins' archive of our livestreams since 2020 Instagram (new releases, music bullshit, non-music bullshit and sometimes photos of my lunch) Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumbass Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 I like to call it experimental electronic music Or at least that's the term I coin when I talk about the music to people splesh, Uros, X4creek and 1 other 4 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 ELM is a tree. E.L.M. is also Electronic Liquor Museum out LA back in the day. i just say electronic music because less pretentious/annoying sounding. then, if someone wants to talk it about it more i add details in the discussion. splesh and Uros 2 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide ignatius's signature Hide all signatures Releases Sample LIbraries instagram Cascade Data Mastodon Reveal hidden contents "All I know about you is what a knock off Autechre lite artist you are, how many you put out?> same with your fucking mindset, vanilla...........goodnight." - arti Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubularCorporation Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) There's also an argument that since most of it is done with computers now (even with hardware getting popular recently) it's not even electronic music (unless all recorded music is electronic by merit of the recording and playback devices being electronic). I don't actually believe this/care, but I could absolutely make a good case just for the sake of being annoying. Not before breakfast, though. Edited November 2, 2022 by TubularCorporation Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide TubularCorporation's signature Hide all signatures Lagoon City (from here to eternity/when I'm sick of it) Codemus2x43 (2013-14) Golfhammer 40,000 (2014-15) Tubular Corporation (2016-17) THawkins' archive of our livestreams since 2020 Instagram (new releases, music bullshit, non-music bullshit and sometimes photos of my lunch) Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TubularCorporation Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 On the other hand, a pedantic, literal reading of "IDM" could include, I don't know, Spike Jones. He seemed pretty clever. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide TubularCorporation's signature Hide all signatures Lagoon City (from here to eternity/when I'm sick of it) Codemus2x43 (2013-14) Golfhammer 40,000 (2014-15) Tubular Corporation (2016-17) THawkins' archive of our livestreams since 2020 Instagram (new releases, music bullshit, non-music bullshit and sometimes photos of my lunch) Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YangYing Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 dadno is the only way Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide YangYing's signature Hide all signatures >>MY MUSIC<< Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
geosmina Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 I still defend IDM is indeed intelligent music made by intelligent people for intelligent people, and is better in many senses than other genres. splesh and X4creek 2 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide geosmina's signature Hide all signatures https://animanoir.xyz/ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
X4creek Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 ill keep using IDM if only bc i love saying the abbreviation but otherwise i do feel pretty icky about it sometimes ngl Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930397 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerwolf Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 (edited) On 11/2/2022 at 2:58 PM, thumbass said: I like to call it experimental electronic music Or at least that's the term I coin when I talk about the music to people Exactly what I say. I’d feel a bit of a plum saying ‘intelligent dance music’ to a person, even if when I see the phrase used by journalists it doesn’t bother me. As X4creek says, the abbreviation itself sounds rather fine. Edited November 2, 2022 by beerwolf thumbass 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ignatius Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 so, this name thing is something people spend a lot of time thinking about? Hugh Mughnus 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide ignatius's signature Hide all signatures Releases Sample LIbraries instagram Cascade Data Mastodon Reveal hidden contents "All I know about you is what a knock off Autechre lite artist you are, how many you put out?> same with your fucking mindset, vanilla...........goodnight." - arti Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 ignatius 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Positive Metal Attitude Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbpete Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 My nominations are Intellicore, BlerpBlorps or Defraggatronica geosmina 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures I haven't eaten a Wagon Wheel since 07/11/07... ilovecubus.co.uk - 25ml of mp3 taken twice daily. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
whosebrian Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Electronica Listeners Matter Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlisuite Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 International Dance Machines Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke viia Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 still a fan of Braindad whosebrian and ignatius 2 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide luke viia's signature Hide all signatures GHOST: have you killed Claudius yet HAMLET: no GHOST: why HAMLET: fuck you is why im going to the cemetery to touch skulls [planet of dinosaurs - the album [bc] [archive]] Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
manmower Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Irrelevant dead music. geosmina 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
geosmina Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Savant Beats. d-a-m-o 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide geosmina's signature Hide all signatures https://animanoir.xyz/ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
iococoi Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 Electric Light Molester Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivy Zemura yvI oo ii oo Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 for me, electronic listening music, *grin* whats that? *smirk* let's just say it's electronic music that rises beyond, ascends, and transcends the traditional electronic dance music, cerebralized beats and pads, soundscapes meant for listening of a stationary nature, one may not be prepared for such things unless your cerebrum is particularly large splesh 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted November 2, 2022 Report Share Posted November 2, 2022 we should ask sean to name idm o00o, demo and ignatius 1 2 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/103196-there-has-never-been-a-better-time-to-reset-the-term-idm-welcome-elm/#findComment-2930425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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