w00t! I sync teh DIN!

Just bought one of these for dick-all:

It converts MIDI-to DIN-sync and vice versa. Plus it looks well smart in its Juno colours.

Works out cheaper than it would have been to get a dedicated midi-din box + shipping from overseas.

Oh what the fuck!? I put this on my watch list this morning, went out to get some milk to think it over, come back and whaddya know, analogue wings comes in like a bitch on a bitch boat and scuppers it!

Actually I just just use my 707 for sync but this is a little more.. you know, portable.

  edge said:

Oh what the fuck!? I put this on my watch list this morning, went out to get some milk to think it over, come back and whaddya know, analogue wings comes in like a bitch on a bitch boat and scuppers it!

 

 

Actually I just just use my 707 for sync but this is a little more.. you know, portable.

yeah, I was frantically googling to see if these things have any issues with crap timing or whatever, thinking some bastard will snipe the thing before I find out....

Turns out I'm the bastard :grin:

But, hey, you can do MIDI-DIN already, so it's good to share the love

I though that if you use the din sync on the 707 you could no longer use the midi in?

Or is this an erroneous assumption?

No, you assume correctly; the 707 has to be the master clock and sends midi and sync out, but no midi in. But it's still totally useable, except the 707 tempo can be a bit dicky at times.

Look, stop making me regret not grabbing that msq-100 even more! :ermm: :grin:

If it makes you feel better, apparently you have to have the DIN plug exactly halfway in the MSQ's DIN out socket to get good results using a PC as timing master.

I may have to wrap some tape around a midi plug. :cry2:

where the fuck do you get a hold of din cables? you need those to sync with 606 right?

I think you can use midi cables... I might be wrong.

My friend has been trying to find something to sync his 303 for fucking ages, they almost never seem to be on eBay, or if they are I cant find them

i have a midi to sync converter, got it from the guy i bought the 606 from. are you sure you can use midi cables?

this site says no:

http://www.philrees.co.uk/products/sync-if.htm

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Although they use the same type of connector, you should never connect MIDI sockets to Sync24 sockets.

wikipedia says:

The SYNC standard uses 5 pin DIN connectors (same as used for MIDI but uses different pins)

i havent found any site that even mentions where or how to get these sync cable connectors?

  dr. drumatix said:

where the fuck do you get a hold of din cables? you need those to sync with 606 right?

electronics hobby type shop. din cables look like midi cables, but they have all the pins connected up. midi doesnt use all the pins, so a "midi" cable usually won't have them all connected.

What about those old school audio cables that look like midi cables, they would work wouldnt they? Might be easier to find, if they have a special name or something.

  Coalbucket PI said:

What about those old school audio cables that look like midi cables, they would work wouldnt they? Might be easier to find, if they have a special name or something.

That would be a 5-pin DIN cable, which is exactly what you need.

i use standard midi cables to sync ...acutually... i used to do that now i use a dsync splitter. but yah i used to use a midi cable and it worked fine

  chris moss acid said:

i use standard midi cables to sync ...acutually... i used to do that now i use a dsync splitter. but yah i used to use a midi cable and it worked fine

Some MIDI cables are OK, but some just don't have the wires to the pins that MIDI doesn't use. Bit hard to tell from the outside which is why you ask for 5 pin DIN if you want to be sure.

really? weird. i thought din cables had a different pinout than midi cables.

oh snap!

holy shit, i connected a midi cable i just bought at the local music store with the 707 and 606 sync and it works perfectly!

i guess modern midi cables have the din pins activated or something like that. fuck i shouldve gotten more than one, then my microkorg, 707 and 606 can play together! the best thing is, now i can control the 606 tempo corectly to use it with my tracks

2 things everyone who uses a 707 &/or DIN needs

Y lead - 5 pin DIN plug to two 5 pin DIN plugs - all pins wired - overall screen

suitable for use as a DIN sync splitter cable (sync 24) - 2 metres

Allows two DIN sync devices to be driven by the Sync 24 output of Kenton equipment

i brought this perticular lead from the mighty kenton and i've never looked back since!

its perticually brilliant

cost me £50 but it's probally the best £50 i've ever spent.

from a 707

midi -> ableton [sync control]

din -> 707 -> 606 & 303

super!

thats some quality shit chris! kenton do serious midi stuff.

my midi->sync is from doepfer, and since the midi cable seems to work 'll just get some more of the same and hook then up properly

quick question, i have no idea how midi between software and hardware works? how would i integrate my hardware stuff with ableton?

  dr. drumatix said:

quick question, i have no idea how midi between software and hardware works? how would i integrate my hardware stuff with ableton?

thats easy, just buy a usb midi cable normally its midi - in midi - out

i'd rekomend the yammaha one i've got, but only because its the only one i've ever delt with.

it comes with a installation disk or you can download the drivers off the yammaha site

once it's all set up, just go into your midi settings in ableton enable the usb midi cable -

in the diagram A

to set up the midi out function - so you can trigger midi sync with say a zoom drumachine wilst synced up to ableton = b1

in the diagrame B and B1

A - B

B 1

hope that helps i probally made it sound alot more complicated then it actually is

ahh, cool shit. i could probably do that with my edirol usb keyboard, it has midi out and shit, i just need more midi cables. sometimes i hook up my microkorg to the in of the usb keyboard because its smaller, while i keep the big keyboard on the floor (cumbersome when you just want to dish out some sounds, its more useful when playing piano like stuff or like to go all over the place). i guess i could just go the other way around, using the midi out to like the korg or i dunno

but it'd be more useful with like a "midi hub" connected to all my instruments, so i dont have to switch cables etc.. is there usch a thing?

i just bought a soundcard with midi in and out. no thinking needed :arrr: