ten fingers ten toes Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 Ok, so, having fun with the Oscillator that arrived in my Synthesizers.com entry plan, I decided it would be fun to test the Ana-snobs around here, to see if people can truly pick out analog vs digital! So here we have round one. Pulse wave at 50% duty cycle (Square). One of these wav's came from the Synthesizers.com's analog oscillator, the other came from my Nord Modular's digital osc. Hopefully, Ill get enough guesses to make this worthwhile. To make it as easy as possible to pick out, the patterns you're listening to are just simple scales. Good luck! a.wav 1.17 MB · 83 downloads b.wav 1.21 MB · 76 downloads Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide ten fingers ten toes's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ascdi Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 b is analog. errrrrrrr... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-348946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pylonbitch Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 they're both digital, dummy, cause they're digitally sampled. stupid competition. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide pylonbitch's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-348949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 (edited) i honestly cant tell which one. If it was put through a vcf i might be able to tell but just a pure square wave is very hard for me to detect. Edited January 23, 2007 by Ghostbusters III Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-348955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcinsu Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 the difference between them is so small (to me) it just further shows that it doesnt matter. its the notes that you play anyways... but my guess is A is analoge. It seems a little fatter. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-348976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pylonbitch Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 HELLO. they're both digital samples, therefore a comparison via any means, aural, spectral etc etc... moot fucking point. they're digital samples. it's not possaible to distinguish analogue source from digital samples. i thought people here knew better. sheesh. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide pylonbitch's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-348979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten fingers ten toes Posted January 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 lol, the difference is actually smaller GB3, with the sawtooth Im playing now.... This is only round one! when I get my analog filter the fun will really begin! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide ten fingers ten toes's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-348980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ten fingers ten toes Posted January 23, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 loganfive said: HELLO. they're both digital samples, therefore a comparison via any means, aural, spectral etc etc... moot fucking point. they're digital samples. it's not possaible to distinguish analogue source from digital samples. i thought people here knew better. sheesh. Um, actually, it is, for the same reason that a mixdown done at 24 bit 96 khz will sound better when mastered to CD than a 16 bit 44khz mixdown would. The less resolution on the source, the worse the digital recording will be at guessing. SOS has a great article on this, search for it (sorry I dont have time at the moment). Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide ten fingers ten toes's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-348985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 This is a bit off topic but anyways... Someone once commented on me and my friend's Maskine EPs at P168 and this guy said that it sounded as if we used analog synths etc., which we don't so I guess this just shows to tell that a lot of people really can't tell the difference. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-348986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Adjective Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 it's like a debate on which types of porn are superior ultimately just a lot of frustration and masturbation Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-348991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest iep Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 loganfive said: HELLO. they're both digital samples, therefore a comparison via any means, aural, spectral etc etc... moot fucking point. they're digital samples. it's not possaible to distinguish analogue source from digital samples. i thought people here knew better. sheesh. hahaha... i still can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not (no offense meant if you are..) Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-348996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 (edited) Adjective said: it's like a debate on which types of porn are superior ultimately just a lot of frustration and masturbation It's like religion. Everyone is fighting over which one is the best. Edited January 23, 2007 by Squee Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-349002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pylonbitch Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 so what? was the analog recorded at a higher bit/sample rate. source is moot. they're both digital samples. and if you think this point of view requires you being offensive iep then fine. they're none of them analogue. they're both digital. the sources might differ, but the results are both digital. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide pylonbitch's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-349006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chim Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 i vote A, it has a more coherent tone Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-349008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest iep Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 *mouse-cursor hoovers over the unregister button* hmm.. *mousecursor hoovers over log-out button* *iep clicks* Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-349010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pylonbitch Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 ps, i beliueve analogue has a richer tone, the advantage of more or less unlimited range etc. but if you digitally record analogue, it becomes digital. that's a fact. ten fingers ten toes said: loganfive said: HELLO. they're both digital samples, therefore a comparison via any means, aural, spectral etc etc... moot fucking point. they're digital samples. it's not possaible to distinguish analogue source from digital samples. i thought people here knew better. sheesh. Um, actually, it is, for the same reason that a mixdown done at 24 bit 96 khz will sound better when mastered to CD than a 16 bit 44khz mixdown would. The less resolution on the source, the worse the digital recording will be at guessing. SOS has a great article on this, search for it (sorry I dont have time at the moment). i agree with your point, but mine is that we're being presented with two digital samples, therefore it's impossible to tell because the comparisons we're being given are btween two digital sources, not an analogue and a digital source. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide pylonbitch's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-349014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pylonbitch Posted January 23, 2007 Report Share Posted January 23, 2007 plus, if your digital equipment is correctly synched with your soundcard, then a 44.1/16bit sample of a digital; source at 44.1/16 is indistinguishable from a sample of an analogue source at 44.1/16. clocking. it's important. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide pylonbitch's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-349024 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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impakt Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Logan, keep in mind that it's not just about digital vs analog audio, it's digital synths vs analog synths which is another ballgame for many reasons such as : oscillator tracking/tuning, VCA and VCF. It's not about aliasing. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-349037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meadows and Labyrinths Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 impakt said: It's not about aliasing. that's what SHE said!!!! OHHHHH SHIIIIIIIIT!!!! IN BED Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Meadows and Labyrinths's signature Hide all signatures plantre.bandcamp.com Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-349038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest analogue wings Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 iep said: *mouse-cursor hoovers over the unregister button* hmm.. *mousecursor hoovers over log-out button* *iep clicks* Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-349040 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Fat Roland Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 B = anatal. A = digitogue. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-349045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcinsu Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Fat Roland said: B = anatal. A = digitogue. sounds dirty Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-349058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kokoon Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 both recordings are probably of the same source. the second one sounds a bit brighter but that doesn't mean anything. i honestly believe you can't determine the source just from listening to these 2. i deliberately haven't looked at the waveforms/freq analysis. and if they're not the same source, okay, i admit i can't tell the difference between a digital square and an analogue square. but as you know, square wave is a waveform that really shouldn't differ much if the VCO is designed okay. and the dotcom VCO obviously is. what i value about the analogue is: 1. analogue mixing 2. the imperfections of everything analogue. the drifting, the imperfect waveforms, weird/uneven control curves, clipping, ... i could go on and on. if i still had to answer - A is the dotcom. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-349063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 (edited) loganfive said: HELLO. they're both digital samples, therefore a comparison via any means, aural, spectral etc etc... moot fucking point. they're digital samples. it's not possaible to distinguish analogue source from digital samples. i thought people here knew better. sheesh. i think this is where the argument becomes convoluted. he just wanted to compare the difference between a digital oscillator and an analog one, not digital sound vs analog sound. I might be wrong but there is stairstepping in almost all digital filters/oscillators. aside from this analog synthesizers have harmonic distortion that isn't achievable on digital synths unless it is purposefully emulated. Edited January 24, 2007 by Ghostbusters III Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/17021-analog-vs-digital/#findComment-349068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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