cycling 74 and ableton announce max for Live 8

pretty cool...akai is also putting out a nice looking midi controller designed for abelton

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/01/15/...-apc40-quickie/

It certainly makes live alittle more desirable as desktop sequencer, especially if ur a max user, giving u more time to concentrate on building mods with out having to worry about rewires and building apps, its write there in the sequencer. Yeah i think it a very good thing.

wow. this is big news

i hope there will be some new shit

finally you don't have to be a scientist to make good patches

  David R James said:

It certainly makes live alittle more desirable as desktop sequencer,

I'm definitely going to give ableton another chance once this comes out. I just hope that the price isn't too steep

Wow there is more information at the Ableton website: Ableton Live 8

I must say, there are a lot of amazing things in there, this update is better than Live 7 was compared to Live 6...

Some of the features I'm excited about are being able to organize the way the parameters are ordered in VSTs (in the live GUI), the groove engine, being able to group tracks, and multiple track parameter editing at the same time.

I'm curious about the new effects like vocoder, but I'm skeptical since some of the new instruments in 7 weren't that good.

Max in Ableton looks really great, I have always wanted to learn Max so this would be good encouragement to do so. I imagine it will have good CPU usage as well, compared to VSTs, so I'm excited to hear the types of things people will come up with Max/Ableton.

Also, the zoom out feature sounds nice, it will be good for anyone using Ableton on a netbook or any laptop with a low resolution.

I was gonna get Cubase because I heard that Live didn't sound so good (audio output-wise), maybe Live 8 will "sound" better. This max inside live sounds kinda neat.

I don't understand but am excited about the api part, it would be really cool to basically add new wires and controls between different devices in live... the plugin side, it's cool that it's editable but it doesn't seem like it would really change much about how live works.

the new operator looks sweet... drawing waveforms would make it a lot better. wonder if that would still work with version 5, lol.

great ableton update

128 parameter automation limit gone yaaaaay

love the fact i will be able to click configure, then click on the vsti's knob that i want to automate and its there... easy to find

proper groups... very good

max for live looks great (shame this is an extra purchase on top of live8)

juiced up operator synth looks nice

live looper looks dead good

the only bummer is the 1 for 1 exchange rate at the moment

thats what probably gonna stop me updating from cubase 4 to 5

£200 for the cubase update... shite

This is a big deal.

I'm most excited about:

new warp mode

multiband dynamics

limiter

improved midi editor

group tracks

128+ parameters

My God, this is exciting. I was just having this very issue yesterday; reconciling my MAX patches with Live for live performance situations. This was a really smart decision on the two companies' parts. This is gonna solidify Live's stature as the best program for live performance, due to the now infinite amount of expansion and user-created content. I cannot fucking wait.

I hope it doesn't cost a lot if you already own the two programs. It's already gonna cost me $250 to upgrade to Live 8.

yeahh i'm probably gonna get this. hopefully you will be able to do EVERYTHING you can do in Max in ableton...who am i kidding, then cycling 74 would go out of biz...well i've been thinking about getting Max for a long time and i think ableton is for preteens...but maybe i will get this. depends on the price and how good the demo is because i need some new VST's more than a new DAW

What the best the place to start with programming in Max/MSP? Been looking to get using it but I opened it and I'm lost.

  Bad Influence said:

What the best the place to start with programming in Max/MSP? Been looking to get using it but I opened it and I'm lost.

I suppose it depends what you plan on doing with it. If you are going for melodic stuff you might want to try to make Max play some sheet music. One of my first huge tests was to make max play a measure of sheet music then randomize the notes for the next measure and then play the following measure normally... etc.

  acid1 said:

I suppose it depends what you plan on doing with it. If you are going for melodic stuff you might want to try to make Max play some sheet music. One of my first huge tests was to make max play a measure of sheet music then randomize the notes for the next measure and then play the following measure normally... etc.

I'd say I'm more percussion and beats based. Not sure if it would be possible but I'd be up for creating some sort of beat slicer / sampler which is assigned to a midi keyboard. Enable live slicing that I could record rather than programming all my hand.

I'm studying C/C++ at uni just now so high level programming isn't a problem for me. I've seen a few patches but it's still confusing me.

I've just downloaded the 30 day trial version of Max/MSP and have started doing the tutorials from the help menu. They're fairly well written so you might want to have a look at those.

  Betty said:

I've just downloaded the 30 day trial version of Max/MSP and have started doing the tutorials from the help menu. They're fairly well written so you might want to have a look at those.

i'm gonna do that

Just started learning Max/MSP just recently in school, I haven't tried abelton yet. I dunno if I'm going to make the shift from FL to this though, sense I'm mostly using it to sequence/sync external hardware any how.

The tutorials are definitely the way to go. They're very clear, explained well, and ordered in the way most conducive to getting a comprehensive education on the program. More programs need documentation this thorough.

This looks like a great version. Can't wait to pump out some more minimal stuff with it.