Teleportation

TELEPORTATION!

and FoxNews were the only site to report on this?

maybe Bill O'Reilly will be the first test subject?!

we can only hope.......

http://forum.watmm.com/index.php?showtopic...st&p=933373

yeah they're stretching the meaning of "Teleportation" quite a bit beyond what the Star Trek meaning of moving shit around, so meh.

also, Teleportation as currently concieved is that same as a computer version of a "move" i.e. a copy followed by a delete of the original. So, I'm not stepping in that transporter room anytime...

still .. if they are actually succeeding (has many doubts) at instantaneous communication of quantum states .. it could be rather intresting for a number of fields .. not including the teleportation business ..

how is this possible?

like one thing is, and another is as well, in a different space

what happens to the matter inside of the space that something was teleported to?

  delet... said:

still .. if they are actually succeeding (has many doubts) at instantaneous communication of quantum states .. it could be rather intresting for a number of fields .. not including the teleportation business ..

yes yes, excellent thing they are doing.

in theory, they could upscale this to an "ansible" (instant communication over ANY distance), which is pretty staggering.

  analogue wings said:

  delet... said:

still .. if they are actually succeeding (has many doubts) at instantaneous communication of quantum states .. it could be rather intresting for a number of fields .. not including the teleportation business ..

 

yes yes, excellent thing they are doing.

 

in theory, they could upscale this to an "ansible" (instant communication over ANY distance), which is pretty staggering.

hopefully just in time for the enders game movie .. sequel ... ( was it in that .. man the mists of time ..) ..

plus we could explore other planets with proxy bots ... don't have to bother sending men for all that bS ..

  delet... said:

  analogue wings said:

  delet... said:

still .. if they are actually succeeding (has many doubts) at instantaneous communication of quantum states .. it could be rather intresting for a number of fields .. not including the teleportation business ..

 

yes yes, excellent thing they are doing.

 

in theory, they could upscale this to an "ansible" (instant communication over ANY distance), which is pretty staggering.

 

hopefully just in time for the enders game movie .. sequel ... ( was it in that .. man the mists of time ..) ..

 

plus we could explore other planets with proxy bots ... don't have to bother sending men for all that bS ..

yeah but apparently other sci fi authors call them "ansibles" as well. Dunno who invented it.

fake edit: wikipedia tells me Usrula LeGuin invented the idea

'uu knowlege .. answerable ... hah didn't know that ..

same article says ansible are impossible due to some weird quantum theory

i dont get it

if you can make an atom change the way you want it to change in a predictable way - you have instantaneous long distance communication, no?

  analogue wings said:

same article says ansible are impossible due to some weird quantum theory

 

i dont get it

 

if you can make an atom change the way you want it to change in a predictable way - you have instantaneous long distance communication, no?

you'd think so ... see this is where this falls down eh ... they are probably not instantaneous transmissions ... they might even be biasing the outcome ... this stuff is too early to tell sorta deal'ee'oe yanoe ...

is there a substructure/grid to the universe we haven't cracked into yet .. is there actually an ether filling up everything ... it's all a touch out there .. there's too much to learn about .. i'll just stick to big bang denial .. defending that position already wastes too much of my time in this general direction of scientific inquiry ...

Quantum mechanics.

this was on cnn last week some time i think

  The Pod said:

how is this possible?

 

like one thing is, and another is as well, in a different space

 

what happens to the matter inside of the space that something was teleported to?

i think matter is not being teleported, just a quantum state between atoms. for instance, an atom with a specific set of quantum states teleports its quantum states to the other atom, now you essentially have two identical atoms so you could say that you teleported the first atom.

taken to the extreme, lets use an example of teleporting a human being. on one end would be you, and on the other end a soup of exactly the same number and kind of atoms that make you up. one by one, every characteristic of every atom in your body is teleported from you to the soup of atoms, and another one of you arises. needless to say, that is quite complex if you think about it...

First thing to come to mind:

The Jaunt by Stephen King.

  Charles Nelson Reilly said:

this was on cnn last week some time i think

 

  The Pod said:

how is this possible?

 

like one thing is, and another is as well, in a different space

 

what happens to the matter inside of the space that something was teleported to?

 

i think matter is not being teleported, just a quantum state between atoms. for instance, an atom with a specific set of quantum states teleports its quantum states to the other atom, now you essentially have two identical atoms so you could say that you teleported the first atom.

 

taken to the extreme, lets use an example of teleporting a human being. on one end would be you, and on the other end a soup of exactly the same number and kind of atoms that make you up. one by one, every characteristic of every atom in your body is teleported from you to the soup of atoms, and another one of you arises. needless to say, that is quite complex if you think about it...

so if what you say is true, and a human being was successfully teleported, then it could be argued that the arrived human wouldnt be the same person anymore

the original person is still at the point of departure

you would have to specifically DESTROY the original to give the illusion of travel

exactly

In kind of a good, obvious way, it throws a light on the illusory nature of me feeling as if i'm the same me from yesterday. There's this whole illusion of continuity going on for everyone and that's the only thing that needs to be maintained with these technologies.

A good example of using this is the idea of slowly replacing body parts with artificial ones, piece by piece until the fleshy you is gone. Just maintain dat continuity sucka.

The Prestige.

  Rambo said:

A good example of using this is the idea of slowly replacing body parts with artificial ones, piece by piece until the fleshy you is gone. Just maintain dat continuity sucka.

but the replacement parts would have the same problems as the old ones, because they'd be exact copies

i wasn't clear enough there as usual. I'm thinking more years down the line when the parts wouldn't necessarily be flesh.

I see. You were using the Washinton's Axe metaphor to describe the type of identity problems that teleportation might give rise to.

*looks up washingtons axe*

well yes but mostly what i'm getting at is that the only problem is in maintaining the illusion of continuity that we all take for granted. That's going to be key with all these ideas. Ultimately all that's ever going to matter is that i'm tricked into feeling that i'm the same enitity i was moments before and how successful these various advances are, will probably hinge on how well we can pull these transitions off.

  Rambo said:

Ultimately all that's ever going to matter is that i'm tricked into feeling that i'm the same enitity i was moments before

you wont feel shit because you will be dead.

there will however be a copy of you that is identical enough to you for your friends and loved ones to not give a fuck.

not sure how this makes it better for you, though.

yes but i die everyday, that's what im getting at