Guest elliot Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Okay so i got my sh 101 a couple of weeks ago been noodling, fucking excellent machine but ive noticed its out of tune (about a tone and a bit out) and when i sort've move the on off power this changes the tone.. any ideas of how to fix this? Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest analogue wings Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 I can't answer your question, but there's a mailing list called Analogue Heaven that most certainly can. You might want to google up their archives before you post there, as they've probably already answered it... Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Glass Plate Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 well a big first thing to check is the power supply. Is it the original, if not, is it the right voltage? look up what ampage it takes as well. If the powersupply seems ok (if it's old you might even want to test with a multimeter to be super sure it's putting out right amount) Then would be the time to check internally. I'm no expert though, that just seems like a quick check that could help out. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elliot Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Yeah i dont think it has anything to do with the adapter as its one i used for my boss pedals, lol im actually using my boss ps-5 pitch shifter to put it into the correct tuning, but ill defiantly try that analogue heaven thanks. :) Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chunky Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 http://www.emusic-diy.org/RolandManuals#he...e37e0054253679c sh101 service manual Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
enki Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Bahahah, I had to double check that you aren't a friend of mine, who got a 101 a few weeks ago and is having the exact same issue. We went through most of the tuning steps from the service manual yesterday and thought we had it more or less in tune, but even just bumping the power switch can swing the tuning a semitone in either direction.. We need to get a working oscilloscope to complete the tuning process but it's kind of a lost cause until we get the power switch situation under control. From what we can gather, it's a pretty common issue and we're currently trying to track down a replacement power switch to see if that won't do the trick. We'll let you know if that works, and likewise post any solutions you find in this thread for future generations. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gron Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 i dontn understand.. you cant use the tuning knob? Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chunky Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 on mine the entire scaling has gone out keyboard + onboard sequences are out of tune alien sounding tuning cv/gate in works in-tune though keyboard connection is faulty probably childrenRfuture: can you use a pc oscilloscope like on reaktor? find a mate who is studying electrical engineering and get him to take you to the college lab for an hour as long as you can get through the door of the school and find the lab (look on the website for a map). ask teh lab technician "is it ok if we use the lab for a bit?" he'll say ok 9/10 times........ Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elliot Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 I didn't understand a pixel of that service manual, so i guess I'll have to take it to get serviced? Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996289 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest all_purpose_sandpaper Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Glass Plate said: well a big first thing to check is the power supply. Is it the original, if not, is it the right voltage? look up what ampage it takes as well. If the powersupply seems ok (if it's old you might even want to test with a multimeter to be super sure it's putting out right amount) Then would be the time to check internally. I'm no expert though, that just seems like a quick check that could help out. i was having wild tuning issues with this moog and I was using the headphone jack and some crazy cables as an out put : it was simply drawing extra voltage from the amplifier with my wacky config. since she is a 101 and analog maybe its something like this. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hahathhat Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 i got an oscope if anyone wants to swing by and use it. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David R James Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 U do know detuned sounds are 'cool' right now yo. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hahathhat Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 i saw some comment someone left on clark's myspace, "CLARK MAN YOU'RE THE MASTER OF DETUNED SYNTHS AS USUAL" i lol'd Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David R James Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Im lol'ing now to lol Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEK Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 out of tune stuff aint that bad, think mu-ziq Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide YEK's signature Hide all signatures Reveal hidden contents !:/music Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hahathhat Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 detuned idm synth tastes like the tears of a bearded synth nerd Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
enki Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 elliot said: I didn't understand a pixel of that service manual, so i guess I'll have to take it to get serviced? Sounds like your best bet. The tuning procedures aren't that complicated, but there are a lot of different steps and it sounds like the power switch probably does need to be replaced (regardless of how sweetly IDM out-of-tune synths are). It'd probably be a worthwhile investment to bring your 101 up to spec. If you can't find a good tech in New Zealand, check out the Modeless Factory in Japan. I've had good luck with them/him. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-996730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elliot Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 The tuning knob thing can go up a semitone or down a semitone. Also when i get it serviced ima ask if the guy can make me one of those dmx krew accent boxes cause they look pretty simple. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-998429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest analogue wings Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 elliot said: The tuning knob thing can go up a semitone or down a semitone. Also when i get it serviced ima ask if the guy can make me one of those dmx krew accent boxes cause they look pretty simple. These guys resurrected my Poly61. Easy to deal with, reasonable prices and FAST. http://paintingwithsound.co.nz/ Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-998439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest analogue wings Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) xxx said: analogue wings said: elliot said: The tuning knob thing can go up a semitone or down a semitone. Also when i get it serviced ima ask if the guy can make me one of those dmx krew accent boxes cause they look pretty simple. These guys resurrected my Poly61. Easy to deal with, reasonable prices and FAST. http://paintingwithsound.co.nz/ lol. Fast for you, youz a kiwi ;). I reckon If I sent something from Middle US, it would basically be the same as sending it to the moon. A quick check of the internet machine shows 7780 miles (12521 km) between that repair shop and me. But I would do it in a heartbeat if they were good. I sent my Nord to a place in Georgia (US not Russia lol) for repairs. After continual checking for two months, they admitted that they hadn't even unpacked it. I flew into a rage and told them to send it back. So, for what I went through with a shitty repair service, I could have gotten quality NZ craftsmanship. you're not elliot though, eh edit: i think your experience is a common one tho, which is why i put fast in caps lol Edited April 2, 2009 by analogue wings Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-999711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elliot Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Would it be worth sending up though , or should i try to find local guys or would they fuck it up? xxx thats a horrible story and im sorry lol. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-999862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest analogue wings Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 well an sh101 isnt that big... and there are people like xxx describes in nz (eg the "official" roland service shop) if you can find someone that someone you trust vouches for in the SI, then go for it, otherwise, you've been warned... Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44132-out-of-tune-sh-101/#findComment-999869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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