The Pirate Bay founders sent to jail

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8003799.stm

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The Pirate Bay's first server is now a museum exhibit in Stockholm

lol

fuck "the music industry". i hope it fails massively and all major record labels crumble.

I don't download music. But I don't think that the Pirate Bay owners should have to go to jail. Or anything really, as they don't host anything other than torrents...

this wont do a thing to file sharing. it's out there and there is nothing to stop it. however the RIAA/MPAA will probably think this means they are winning.

they're appealing, it will take a long time before the final verdict is here, they won't go to jail yet, pirate bay is not closing down etc etc

They are gonna take it all the way to supreme court, which they should seeing as they are innocent.

  BCM said:

fuck "the music industry". i hope it fails massively and all major record labels crumble.

The only problem I can see is that Pirate Bay managed to make a lot of money whilst doing this. There'll be more and more torrent portals, it can't be stopped. But if the companies are concerned about people getting rich then they only need to bring in, and attempt to police, some rules of advertising on the internet.

This whole case is meant to act as a deterrent more than anything else though. Does anyone have the balls to host a directory of torrents and face getting fined £3,000,000?

Someone needs to seed a complete combined Warner Bros/Sony/EMI/Columbia torrent.

  Betty said:

Someone needs to seed a complete combined Warner Bros/Sony/EMI/Columbia torrent.

lol

yeah, these measures will not change anything at all.

torrents will never cease to exist, there are still loads of private torrent sites that can hardly be charged of anything, only its users can, then there's still soulseek etc etc

once in a while they fine a random torrenting user hundreds of thousands of dollars just to scare other people, chances that will be you are really small, but if it does turn out to be you, it kinda sucks balls

crackdown... it's a risky game i guess. unfortunate. there's something very wrong about prison sentences imo, i would rather the punishment fitted the crime (although how, i have no idea) (but in a general sense)

The big companies are dinosaurs stuck in a old world. The laws and morals of society are constantly evolving and the companies are failing to adapt. So they try their best to stop the revolution by punishing people. Which in effect will turn them into martyrs and further help the revolution. As their ancient generation dies out the next one will take charge and new laws will govern.

Intellectual property is dead, long live the intellect!

"Aye it's a risky game but what did ye expect, we're internet pirates! Arrr!"

  impakt said:

The big companies are dinosaurs stuck in a old world. The laws and morals of society are constantly evolving and the companies are failing to adapt. So they try their best to stop the revolution by punishing people. Which in effect will turn them into martyrs and further help the revolution. As their ancient generation dies out the next one will take charge and new laws will govern.

 

Intellectual property is dead, long live the intellect!

yeah, I think the collapse of the music industry would do great things for music the artform. If all music is available for free then no-one will stand to gain anything from promoting shit that will sell well and the music that stands out (even if it doesn't make money) will be the quality stuff.

well they kinda had it coming, they were really open and flaunting at everyone. i hope this turns out well

  impakt said:

The big companies are dinosaurs stuck in a old world. The laws and morals of society are constantly evolving and the companies are failing to adapt. So they try their best to stop the revolution by punishing people. Which in effect will turn them into martyrs and further help the revolution. As their ancient generation dies out the next one will take charge and new laws will govern.

 

Intellectual property is dead, long live the intellect!

so, this revolution sounds great because it means i don't have to pay for my stuff. are you saying it's cool if i download your album for free? is it cool if we all do? you have a daytime job, right? i just don't have a lot of money right now and also *insert other reasons of justification why i can get everything i want for free, and the people i steal from are the bad guys because they are the big evil corporation and i am just part of the change of the times*

maybe you can make some money if i buy a t-shirt.

i always thought pirates were kind of gay

*uses demonoid*

  glasse said:

  impakt said:

The big companies are dinosaurs stuck in a old world. The laws and morals of society are constantly evolving and the companies are failing to adapt. So they try their best to stop the revolution by punishing people. Which in effect will turn them into martyrs and further help the revolution. As their ancient generation dies out the next one will take charge and new laws will govern.

 

Intellectual property is dead, long live the intellect!

 

so, this revolution sounds great because it means i don't have to pay for my stuff. are you saying it's cool if i download your album for free? is it cool if we all do? you have a daytime job, right? i just don't have a lot of money right now and also *insert other reasons of justification why i can get everything i want for free, and the people i steal from are the bad guys because they are the big evil corporation and i am just part of the change of the times*

 

maybe you can make some money if i buy a t-shirt.

maybe it's "wrong" but can't be stopped, so humanity should actually adapt to what a new condition than try to change the unchangeable.

and copyright is such a stupid concept anyway. nothing stops you from selling stuff anyway.

  glasse said:

  impakt said:

The big companies are dinosaurs stuck in a old world. The laws and morals of society are constantly evolving and the companies are failing to adapt. So they try their best to stop the revolution by punishing people. Which in effect will turn them into martyrs and further help the revolution. As their ancient generation dies out the next one will take charge and new laws will govern.

 

Intellectual property is dead, long live the intellect!

 

so, this revolution sounds great because it means i don't have to pay for my stuff. are you saying it's cool if i download your album for free? is it cool if we all do? you have a daytime job, right? i just don't have a lot of money right now and also *insert other reasons of justification why i can get everything i want for free, and the people i steal from are the bad guys because they are the big evil corporation and i am just part of the change of the times*

 

maybe you can make some money if i buy a t-shirt.

Music was never about making money, if you're a passionate musician you'll do it anyway and find a way to make a living at it just as people did long before recording technology was born. The music "industry" as it exists at the moment completely diregards creativity and rewards music purely for being saleable. Personally I don't torrent music from major labels as a rule purely because i don't really like it but i'm glad others do. The demise of the coke-snorting A&R man is something to be celebrated by all proper musicians. They've done nothing but hamper the true artists and exile quality art to the fringes for far too long.

Yes lets rewrite the UDHR so that it includes internet piracy; movies, music, programs, games and porn should all be free.

I understand both sides of the coin... It's a great thing when I can sell an album, that turns enough profit to cover production costs, labor costs, and provide a financial means for me to travel to play my music to new audiences. I wish I could be financially independant to a point where I could focus on nothing but music, but I'm not one to blame "pirates" for not achieving that. I'm also not one to "sell-out" to make it happen, I enjoy what I do, and I'm willing to take the downside of working in a vein of music that has difficulty turning a profit. The great thing, most musicians in this field understand this, and do it for the love of the art, not the love of the money, so for the most part it's kept the music pure.

I understand the angst against the RIAA/MPAA/whatever ... but I've never understood the argument FOR piracy...

i think the major point of the legal case is that there's an intent - as with downloaders themselves - to portray this as a good versus evil situation, one that downloaders are trying to win over profiteers, but, ultimately, the pirate bay made a profit for it's operators, and therefore wasn't as much of a social revolution as one illegitimate business trying to justify itself in a flawed manner. the idea of capitalists being evil and therefore undeserving of a profit is literally out of the window at that point, because they're no better.

as with all businesses, the aim is to promote the exchange of money between people in return for services and goods - this is the basis of economics, it seems - if the music industry lets downloaders dictate that recordings make no money and that revenue must come from elsewhere, there's a precedent set that allows other illegal operators step in on other revenue streams, surely?

music itself may be an artistic pursuit for many, but it has never entirely been only about creativity, simply because people need to earn money for themselves in order to purchase goods elsewhere. usually these goods aren't as easy to justify the theft of.

if it's such a money-maker, why don't warners etc. set up their own torrent site? you'd get even more traffic if it was legal

but does it really make that much compared to industry bosses salaries?

I've always wondered guys, where does msn stand on their filing sharing options? Becuase a lot of my music is sent to me by mates on msn, and then I send it on etc, and final verdict only one person really ever buys the cd.

I mean whats the deal with this? Does this just go completely un-noticed?

  jim said:

  impakt said:

The big companies are dinosaurs stuck in a old world. The laws and morals of society are constantly evolving and the companies are failing to adapt. So they try their best to stop the revolution by punishing people. Which in effect will turn them into martyrs and further help the revolution. As their ancient generation dies out the next one will take charge and new laws will govern.

 

Intellectual property is dead, long live the intellect!

 

yeah, I think the collapse of the music industry would do great things for music the artform. If all music is available for free then no-one will stand to gain anything from promoting shit that will sell well and the music that stands out (even if it doesn't make money) will be the quality stuff.

amen