Guest Glass Plate Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) Quote In her new book, The Lonely Soldier: The Private War of Women Serving in Iraq, Helen Benedict examines the experience of female soldiers serving in the US military in Iraq and elsewhere. Here, in an article adapted from her book, she outlines the threat of sexual violence that women face from their fellow soldiers while on the frontline, and provides testimony from three of the women she interviewed for her book. More American women have fought and died in Iraq than in any war since World War II. Over 206,000 have served in the Middle East since March 2003, most of them in Iraq. Some 600 have been wounded, and 104 have died. Yet, even as their numbers increase, women soldiers are painfully alone. In Iraq, women still only make up one in 10 troops, and because they are not evenly distributed, they often serve in a platoon with few other women or none at all. This isolation, along with the military's traditional and deep-seated hostility towards women, can cause problems that many female soldiers find as hard to cope with as war itself - degradation and sexual persecution by their comrades, and loneliness instead of the camaraderie that every soldier depends on for comfort and survival. Between 2006 and 2008, some 40 women who served in the Iraq War spoke to me of their experiences at war. Twenty-eight of them had been sexually harassed, assaulted or raped while serving. They were not exceptions. According to several studies of the US military funded by the Department of Veteran Affairs, 30% of military women are raped while serving, 71% are sexually assaulted, and 90% are sexually harassed. The Department of Defense acknowledges the problem, estimating in its 2009 annual report on sexual assault (issued last month) that some 90% of military sexual assaults are never reported. The department claims that since 2005, its updated rape reporting options have created a "climate of confidentiality" that allows women to report without fear of being disbelieved, blamed, or punished, but the fact remains that most of the cases I describe in my book happened after the reforms of 2005. Army specialist Chantelle Henneberry served in Iraq from 2005-6, with the 172nd Stryker Brigade out of Alaska. "I was the only female in my platoon of 50 to 60 men. I was also the youngest, 17. Because I was the only female, men would forget in front of me and say these terrible derogatory things about women all the time. I had to hear these things every day. I'd have to say 'Hey!' Then they'd look at me, all surprised, and say, 'Oh we don't mean you.' One of the guys I thought was my friend tried to rape me. Two of my sergeants wouldn't stop making passes at me. Everybody's supposed to have a battle buddy in the army, and females are supposed to have one to go to the latrines with, or to the showers - that's so you don't get raped by one of the men on your own side. But because I was the only female there, I didn't have a battle buddy. My battle buddy was my gun and my knife. During my first few months in Iraq, my sergeant assaulted and harassed me so much I couldn't take it any more. So I decided to report him. But when I turned him in, they said, 'The one common factor in all these problems is you. Don't see this as a punishment, but we're going to have you transferred.' Then that same sergeant was promoted right away. I didn't get my promotion for six months. They transferred me from Mosul to Rawah. There were over 1,500 men in the camp and less than 18 women, so it wasn't any better there than the first platoon I was in. I was fresh meat to the hungry men there. I was less scared of the mortar rounds that came in every day than I was of the men who shared my food. I never would drink late in the day, even though it was so hot, because the Port-a-Johns were so far away it was dangerous. So I'd go for 16 hours in 140-degree heat and not drink. I just ate Skittles to keep my mouth from being too dry. I collapsed from dehydration so often I have IV track lines from all the times they had to re-hydrate me." Army specialist Mickiela Montoya served in Iraq for 11 months from 2005-6, with the California National Guard. She was 19 years old. "The whole time I was in Iraq I was in a daze the whole time I was there 'cause I worked nights and I was shot at every night. Mortars were coming in - and mortars is death! When they say only men are allowed on the front lines, that's the biggest crock of shit! I was a gunner! But when I say I was in the war, nobody listens. Nobody believes I was a soldier. And you know why? Because I'm a female. There are only three things the guys let you be if you're a girl in the military - a bitch, a ho, or a dyke. You're a bitch if you won't sleep with them. A ho if you've even got one boyfriend. A dyke if they don't like you. So you can't win. A lot of the men didn't want us there. One guy told me the military sends women soldiers over to give the guys eye-candy to keep them sane. He told me in Vietnam they had prostitutes, but they don't have those in Iraq, so they have women soldiers instead. At the end of my shift one night, I was walking back to my trailer with this guy who was supposed to be my battle buddy when he said: 'You know, if I was to rape you right now nobody could hear you scream, nobody would see you. What would you do?' 'I'd stab you.' 'You don't have a knife,' he said to me. 'Oh yes I do.' Actually I didn't have one, but after that, I always carried one. I practiced how to take it out of my pocket and swing it out fast. But I wasn't carrying the knife for the enemy, I was carrying it for the guys on my own side." Air Force Sergeant Marti Ribeiro was assaulted by a fellow serviceman while she was on duty in Afghanistan in 2006. "It's taken me more than a year to realise that it wasn't my fault, so I didn't tell anyone about it. The military has a way of making females believe they brought this upon themselves. That's wrong. There's an unwritten code of silence when it comes to sexual assault in the military. But if this happened to me and nobody knew about it, I know it's happening to other females as well." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8005198.stm It's easier to read from the site it's self, a good read shows how much sexism still exists. Edited April 18, 2009 by Glass Plate Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 (edited) insanity, not to stereotype but out of the 2 people i personally know who served in iraq, one of them has a restraining order against him for punching out 2 girls at a party he was at in high school. Edited April 18, 2009 by Awepittance Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
qnio Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 christ... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>"> name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src=" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"> Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest idrn Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 er, not to detract from how wrong sexism is but... these are people paid to kill other people - war. employed for the darkest ability of what is arguable a wholly male thing. you are doing something that pales in comparison to rape or derogatory comments. is it any surprise? to eliminate this sort of thing you'd have to eliminate the thing that makes an army even exist. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Franklin Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 i cant say i find this that surprising Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ezkerraldean Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 idrn said: er, not to detract from how wrong sexism is but... these are people paid to kill other people - war. employed for the darkest ability of what is arguable a wholly male thing. you are doing something that pales in comparison to rape or derogatory comments. is it any surprise? to eliminate this sort of thing you'd have to eliminate the thing that makes an army even exist. this Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wall Bird Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 idrn said: er, not to detract from how wrong sexism is but... these are people paid to kill other people - war. employed for the darkest ability of what is arguable a wholly male thing. you are doing something that pales in comparison to rape or derogatory comments. is it any surprise? to eliminate this sort of thing you'd have to eliminate the thing that makes an army even exist. Agreed. Though, I don't think war is an inherently male creation. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest boo Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 this was happening before the iraq war, in the us, so im surprised any girl would join the us army Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 Most of the people I know in the military are really nice people. Good people, but I'm sure there is a dark element. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest aron Posted April 18, 2009 Report Share Posted April 18, 2009 i know quite a few people in the military aswell, and they are nice dudes, but definitely not the smartest bunch Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcofribas Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 idrn said: er, not to detract from how wrong sexism is but... these are people paid to kill other people - war. employed for the darkest ability of what is arguable a wholly male thing. you are doing something that pales in comparison to rape or derogatory comments. is it any surprise? to eliminate this sort of thing you'd have to eliminate the thing that makes an army even exist. that's a very obscure statement, plz elaborate. ps, FUCK AMERICKA GO BRITANIA Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatorin Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 idrn said: er, not to detract from how wrong sexism is but... these are people paid to kill other people - war. employed for the darkest ability of what is arguable a wholly male thing. you are doing something that pales in comparison to rape or derogatory comments. is it any surprise? to eliminate this sort of thing you'd have to eliminate the thing that makes an army even exist. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Salvatorin's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
marf Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 well, there are different people in the military. Some are officers and doctors. Smart people. Some are grunts. etc..I know lots of people from the air force and their recruiting standards are higher. Lots of very mechanically inclined people. Marines are just assholes though. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcock Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 if you are prepared to kill someone, i dont want to know you. any of my mates who decided to join infantry got sacked off immediately. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Franklin Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 very military-like of you messiaen Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ezkerraldean Posted April 19, 2009 Report Share Posted April 19, 2009 Alcofribas said: ps, FUCK AMERICKA GO BRITANIA Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1017763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 This news shouldn't come as a shock. And I'm not really sure what possesses these women to want to join a group that has been designed by and for men since the beginning of human history. No doubt it will have stigmas toward women. In WWII there was a sniper infantry of all women in Russia, but that's a bit different, since their country was actually under attack. Generally, I agree with the sentiment to keep women out of combat. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Braintree's signature Hide all signatures colindyer.bandcamp.com williamsbraintree.bandcamp.com Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1018653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAXIMUS MISCHIEF Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 those women shouldn't be there. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide MAXIMUS MISCHIEF's signature Hide all signatures official sup barnstar of coolness Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1018717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest idrn Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 (edited) ezkerraldean said: Alcofribas said: ps, FUCK AMERICKA GO BRITANIA haha, i wasn't going all fUk U aMeRiKa... but now you mention it... would it be right if i had the impression that in america, the poor, stupid and disenfranchised are aggressively pursued to join the army (even so far as to give out free video games) so as to have a steady stream of expendable 'heroes'? it would seem a nice system - living in poverty, no health insurance, no prospects? become a brave serviceman and do the bidding of whatever sleezy cuntbags are pulling the political strings. live the dream etc.. Braintree said: In WWII there was a sniper infantry of all women in Russia, but that's a bit different, since their country was actually under attack. Generally, I agree with the sentiment to keep women out of combat. interesting - if your peaceful way of life is actually threatened, as opposed to some loud and insidiously deceptive propaganda jizzing the notion in your face, would the evil shit be far less likely to happen? would the greater sense of community and purpose instill a greater sense of decency and 'chivalry' in combatants? Edited April 20, 2009 by idrn Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1018737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
azatoth Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 how can you be in the army when you are 17, not old enough to vote or drink, but it's ok to kill. fucked up. also got to agree with what idiron said Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide azatoth's signature Hide all signatures last.fm the biggest illusion is yourself Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1018746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest abusivegeorge Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 This isn't about sexISM, this is about sexual violence towards women, in the line of duty no less. This is disgusting, and most of you are saying women shouldn't join the army coz this will happen? Thats how I'm reading this anyway now THAT statement is sexism. I personally find this fucking disgusting. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1018773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 idrn said: Braintree said: In WWII there was a sniper infantry of all women in Russia, but that's a bit different, since their country was actually under attack. Generally, I agree with the sentiment to keep women out of combat. interesting - if your peaceful way of life is actually threatened, as opposed to some loud and insidiously deceptive propaganda jizzing the notion in your face, would the evil shit be far less likely to happen? would the greater sense of community and purpose instill a greater sense of decency and 'chivalry' in combatants? I think male soldiers would be less likely to rape a fellow soldier if they were preoccupied with trying not to get their heads blown off. I do think they would have a greater sense of camaraderie if the war itself had a clear and just motive. This one obviously doesn't. abusivegeorge said: This isn't about sexISM, this is about sexual violence towards women, in the line of duty no less. This is disgusting, and most of you are saying women shouldn't join the army coz this will happen? Thats how I'm reading this anyway now THAT statement is sexism. I personally find this fucking disgusting. It isn't really sexism, it's biology. I have no problem with women in the Air Force, or in the Army, but in a firefight, I would rather send the guy that's 6'4'' and built like a brick shithouse. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Braintree's signature Hide all signatures colindyer.bandcamp.com williamsbraintree.bandcamp.com Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1018808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest abusivegeorge Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Sorry, but how does your above reply relate to women being raped and sexually assualted in the Army? I have no problem with Women being in any of the above either, and your right in a fire, you'd be much better off sending in a tall muscly bloke for convenience sake. But rape? Sexual violence? Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1018812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chloe S Posted April 20, 2009 Report Share Posted April 20, 2009 Briantree you talk out of your arse! in your earlier post you slated women and said they should be kept out of combat, so you clearly do have a problem with them being in the air force or army!! in reply to your earlier post: just because a group is originally designed for and by men, does not mean that women should be subjected to rape and sexual harassment!! thats madness to think like that!! women join the army for exactly the same reasons most men do, to fight for their country, why should they not be allowed to do this just because some men can not deal with equal rights and feel the need to be sexist!! in reply to your last post: i hope your nearest fire station is solely made up of women and that you burn! Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/44826-sexism-in-iraq-war/#findComment-1018819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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