what's the best softsynth drum machine

can somebody give me their opinion on the most powerful soft synth drum machine

i'm looking at native instruments battery. i have a mac. i just want to make fucking insanely complicated breaks that are fast and a bunch of slower hip hop crusty sounding stuff - clouddead type breaks

PLEASE HELP! i want something awesome but not too pricey. something that a professional might use but like i said not mad expensive. under 300 hopefully. battery sounds pretty good - i've used out all the drum sets in logic and now all my songs sound like shit because they're obviously made by somebody without any money or technology.

this is the kind of music i'm trying to make, you'll get a feel for it pretty much immediately (psychonoisehiphopelectro)

http://www.myspace.com/corncatcorporation

wat about ultra drum or whatever

D16 Drumazon

edit: yes this is a VST.

do you want a drumsynth (to create your own sounds) or just a drummachine?

if you're looking for a drumsynth, try waldorf attack, it's quite good

and yeah D16's Drumazon and Nepheton are good for 909s and 808s

"i'm looking at native instruments battery. i have a mac. i just want to make fucking insanely complicated breaks that are fast and a bunch of slower hip hop crusty sounding stuff - clouddead type breaks"

drum machine or sampler?

i'm looking for a piece of software that has a shitload of premade drum sounds and also will be able to use wav files or samples that i make. something like battery but if there is a better one.

i have ultrabeat but those drum sounds are starting to suck

i don't want something that is just 808 and 909 sounds. i don't use that style of drums. i want something more squarepusher/aphex twin .. "glitch" type beat making. hard hip hop glitch beats. crisp

hammerhead rhythm station

COME ON

so i said i want to make beats like squarepusher, who gives a hoot, i want to make beats like squarepusher and then some and i want it NOW i want to blow fumes out of my anus

squarepusher and afx use 808s and 909s all the time though

if you want glitchy stuff, it's better to look for effects and stuff I guess, don't know a lot except for dblue glitch (which is kind of shitty) because I don't use glitchy stuff often

  On 8/27/2009 at 11:56 PM, vamos scorcho said:

i don't want something that is just 808 and 909 sounds. i don't use that style of drums. i want something more squarepusher/aphex twin .. "glitch" type beat making. hard hip hop glitch beats. crisp

  On 8/28/2009 at 12:13 AM, vamos scorcho said:

COME ON

 

so i said i want to make beats like squarepusher, who gives a hoot, i want to make beats like squarepusher and then some and i want it NOW i want to blow fumes out of my anus

this guy actually manages to make a nice fast afx beat with hammerhead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20EXAvZ2Ft8 . It's not the tools you have, but how you use them

  On 8/28/2009 at 12:36 AM, mrx said:

It's not the tools you have, but how you use them

  On 8/28/2009 at 12:36 AM, mrx said:

It's not the tools you have, but how you use them

  On 8/28/2009 at 12:36 AM, mrx said:

this guy actually manages to make a nice fast afx beat with hammerhead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20EXAvZ2Ft8 . It's not the tools you have, but how you use them

it's all about the edits, i've never really had much luck with putting breaks into a sampler but i don't doubt they're effective.

i'm talking about Battery by the way, whatever the fuck that video was i don't know

  On 8/27/2009 at 10:06 PM, vamos scorcho said:

most powerful soft synth drum machine

 

. battery sounds pretty good - i've used out all the drum sets in logic and now all my songs sound like shit because they're obviously made by somebody without any money or technology.

(excuse my anger in the following post but my blood pressure skyrocketed when i saw "it's not the tool but how you use it")

alright obviously i don't know shit about the words and meanings behind them. why? because i don't care. why? because it doesn't interest me.

B.

I know it's how you use them. but there is only so far you can go. are you trying to tell me that i could make a beat as quality as easily with hammerhead than i could with a fucking electron machinedrum? BUZZER. incorrect. the tools do matter, in fact with electronic music they matter a hell of a lot. my shitty free softsynth collection is NEVER, EVER going to sound as good as the real deal. but i can't afford that shit so i have to make do with "how i'm using it" in writing melodies and bizarre song structures that will make up for the fact that i'm poor as hell.

that whole fucking thing is so tired. try covering a song off of drukqs in garageband. yup, it's not fucking easy (i mean, it's 100% impossible). what if i was restricted to those drumkits. christ that pisses me off really badly being told that, because i figure i use the machinery as good as anybody else and it seems very condescending to me to be told that i need to pay more attention to "how i use" shit. fuck that shit.

that said, yes i suppose if you can't figure out what i'm looking for from my description then fuck it i'll explain again

i want a drum machine with presets and the ability to purchase more presets, also with effects and whatnot inside. if i say, "i want something like battery" maybe you can draw the fucking line yourself and not ridicule me for not knowing the difference between a sampler and a synth.

ok shit that's all. i guess i'll just buy battery considering there isn't a single constructive or helpful post in this entire thread, apart from some of the first ones

Have a go on this, I like it.

http://www.soniccharge.com/mtonic

  On 8/28/2009 at 2:10 AM, Iain C said:

Have a go on this, I like it.

http://www.soniccharge.com/mtonic

this one is neat and by the guy that designed Maelstrom in Reason. i wouldn't get it if you're wanting realistic sounding drums though

that synplant seems clever as well

no i want electronic sounding drums, purely electronic but modern and hi tech sounding. something that is as close to the machinedrum as you can get with software, and i'm sure you can get as good.

that one you posted Iain C, that's pretty much exactly what i'm looking for. i'm not sure the sounds are what i'm going for, but i'm also pretty sure that i'm clueless as to the actual features on these drummachines and that with time i'd be able to better manipulate them to my liking. probably even ultrabeat can be manipulated to a certain extent. basically i'm apologizing for that outraged post i made earlier.

the synplant is really huge incentive for me to go with that mtonic though. looks like it's right up my alley as i don't understand anything at all really about oscillators and the like. don't have a clue about what those are actually doing and the synplant looks to rid me of having to understand those things.

*saying this to be helpful, not be to a dick* if you wanted to cover drukqs, garageband might actually help. yes, you'd wanna make the sounds with something else, but for that style of beats, recording your samples and chopping them up on a grid sequencer can really easy. a lot of people mention trackers too but I don't know anything about those. re everything else just use whatever works and once you use it for a while it will make more sense and then you can actually care about the details when you want to.

  On 8/28/2009 at 2:54 AM, vamos scorcho said:

the synplant is really huge incentive for me to go with that mtonic though. looks like it's right up my alley as i don't understand anything at all really about oscillators and the like. don't have a clue about what those are actually doing and the synplant looks to rid me of having to understand those things.

kind of. Synplant is actually kind of complicated, probably moreso than an conventional synth. With synplant theyve recreated a lot of basic synth functions and "simplified" them. Its a completely different way of making sounds, and as always if you know what you're doing it can be great, but if you're used to actually knowing how to use a synth and its constituent parts (a good skill for electronic musicians), youll just be fumbling around wondering who's piece of shit idea this was to put a synth together like this. It doesn't seem worth it to relearn how to do shit the synplant way, at least for me.

Anywho, check out Drumatic:

Great for whipping up quick techy beats, has some good roland drum machine presets, but its a synth, so no sample loading. Shouldnt whatever program your using have a drum machine/sampler in it?

the guy in that video is horrendously, horrendously, horrendously talented.

I've always liked battery, trouble is I can use it no more because it crashes any projects I use it on in logic, I can't seem to find a way round it and even if I get it back then battery looses all the patch info so I have to rebuild my kit grrr. Probably something to do with using a naughty copy though, I should buy it.

these days though i just use ultrabeat or the slice-on-grid thing, I need no more.

at the end of the day, all any drum sampler/synth does is plays a sample/synth patch when you tell it to. aside from a few little cool features on one or the other they are all the same as far as I am concerned, just depends which one has the buttons in the places you like them.

I used to make squarepushery kind of stuff in tuareg when I first got into producing, tuareg is another little drum sequencer made by the same people as hammerhead, its uber basic but its all I used to use! drums in tuareg then into cool edit as it was then for the rest -

pearsquasher mp3.mp3Fetching info...

oh yeah and thinking along the lines of spraaaa's post, that yielded the best results for me, too. then you get real control! like this

doesnt take that long when you are good with the scissors.

^^^ haha

Welcome just LOL'd at himself and for that I gotta give him about 20 IDM points.

If you want upgradable banks of sounds another good option is FXpansion GURU.

In all honesty tho, I got my best Squarepusher/Aphex impressions with Buzz (buzz) running 1 instace of Matilde, and I could work miracles with that thing.

Go to www.myspace.com/shifttab and check out "Blue Hallway" .. was about 30 minutes of work with Buzz