Has music developed since, say, beginning of WARP?

Well I'm listening to all the old CDs a lot. I think until 2000, I've bought the whole WARP catalogue. Well, listening to Ae Ccec now.

It comes to my mind, that most of the IDM output still can not be recognized as old-fashioned. No, I think, if someone does not know the tracks at all, it would still go well as "modern" or avantgardistic.

What kind of development have we seen until today? Well, some idm fx have made it to the mainstream. But are there any new ideas?

What did we get from idmers? Good music, on the effect/instrument side tempo variations, unclean noises and deconstructions.

What's true?

a) idm is timeless

b) no development since

c) there's development but you don't see it

development how?

Difficult, I mean some major breakthrough. Maybe I'm rather talking about the effect side of music.

For instance, LFO and the steady deep bass. Ae with the tempo variations which they imo introduced with stop, look listen. In electronic music, is there some hype today with specific effects? I cannot see.

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you think music hasn't changed since 1989?

  On 12/9/2009 at 4:50 PM, Homestar Runner said:

you think music hasn't changed since 1989?

I'm not sure, because the last years, after I realized there is not much progress in idm any more, I almost exclusively listened to classical music :) Honestly, life without Sibelius is possible, but useless

mix a bit of fennesz with tapiola or the other way round

anyway, i dont think warp is at the cuting edge of music. check raster noton/mego/souther lord/touch/rephlex if you want some nice ecclectic/electronic music.

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mix a bit of fennesz with tapiola or the other way round

Incredible, a watmm citizen knowing the Tapiola tone poem, amongst all symphonic literature the one which I probably love most. Works best with Blomstedt SFSO btw...

btw2:

Well I listened to some rephlex stuff, but often no love for the rephlex output, hmm can't remember why.

Could it be that IDM is such a specific sub-genre, defined by a particular set of sound and beat styles that if it has evolved, it would then be considered something other than IDM?

Technology to use for making music has evolved, but I don't think ideas have in regards to utilizing that new technology in ways that mean more than just dong slapping the listener in the face with whatever the most cutting edge techniques being used by everyone else happen to be.

It's also worth noting that most (if not all) the artists making music on warp during it's inception, had no concept that they were making music that identified with any genre. Nobody used terms back then like "IDM". I still think it sounds stupid. I think it lends a certain purity to what was being done in those days, when there was no typecast to put on what was being done.

It's definitely evolved. The total sound palette has increased, and it's opened up to other genres. Breakcore?

Had a big dubstep DJ at our house who came from abroad and only got into dance music from Psytrance and had no idea of acid house or detriot or where dance music really came from.

We showed him the Warp DVD and he wasn't that impressed (although interested) with the early stuff and I explained the basic equiptment it was done on with no PC's back then but then later he said he liked LFO's Freak and he was buzzing when we expalained that the basic stuff at the beginning of the DVD was the same artist 10yers earlier.

I think the question should be has electronic music evolved since the dawn of the digital audio computer era from 97 onwards.

Is ther anything more you can do with digital audio since Gantz Graf?

Is the future dark Dubstep? LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ys9e2m0LTs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hWrxfuzwjQ

sounds the same to me

oh wait, i think i misread. are you talking about music on warp not changing? or music in general?

theres plenty of good music that sounds of its time and still holds up well. dont be so concerned with new styles or trends. its seems to me that truly avant garde acts at a certain point become self referential. that is, they accept outside influence and move inward.

i think i once said the exact same thing in a thread with the exact same subject.

THIS GUY IS THE CUTTING EDGE OF THE FUTURE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2McDeSKiOU

man how is he creating all those diverse soundz@! wth! fucking cutting!!!!

  On 12/9/2009 at 10:58 PM, soundwave said:

 

I think the question should be has electronic music evolved since the dawn of the digital audio computer era from 97 onwards.

 

Is ther anything more you can do with digital audio since Gantz Graf?

 

Is the future dark Dubstep? LOL

nothing to do with dubstep but check latest Hecker, Rehberg, Alva noto etc.. i dont think this stuff was around back in 1997. sure there were xenakis but hecker has a special digital, ears killing sound. that said, you can hardly talk about evolution with music, that would mean bach was primitive etc. i'm still interested in trends, currents etc.

  On 12/10/2009 at 10:18 AM, k h o v said:

....check latest Hecker, Rehberg, Alva noto etc.. i dont think this stuff was around back in 1997. sure there were xenakis but hecker has a special digital, ears killing sound. that said, you can hardly talk about evolution with music, that would mean bach was primitive etc. i'm still interested in trends, currents etc.

i can remember hearing hecker and rehberg 10 or 11 years ago

  On 12/9/2009 at 2:00 PM, Wurstwasser said:

Well I'm listening to all the old CDs a lot. I think until 2000, I've bought the whole WARP catalogue.

oh my shit, it's Thom!

  On 12/10/2009 at 10:23 AM, LUDD said:

  On 12/10/2009 at 10:18 AM, k h o v said:

....check latest Hecker, Rehberg, Alva noto etc.. i dont think this stuff was around back in 1997. sure there were xenakis but hecker has a special digital, ears killing sound. that said, you can hardly talk about evolution with music, that would mean bach was primitive etc. i'm still interested in trends, currents etc.

 

 

i can remember hearing hecker and rehberg 10 or 11 years ago

me too :-) indeed their sound did elvove since "Get out" or the first hecker. its more insane & sophisticated yet atmospheric. i dont know if they're at the cuting edge tho.

  On 12/10/2009 at 8:30 AM, Homestar Runner said:

oh wait, i think i misread. are you talking about music on warp not changing? or music in general?

I was thinking about electronic music in general.

hate to come off all zaphod but this is a very stupid question