Techno/Rave Question?

I'm wondering how in techno/rave to achieve the fast fade out/velocity shift on the lead synth.

It usually occurs when there's a big buildup. LFO perhaps? Not sure. Examples Below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEzc5s3QwKk

1:14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd1b9kVJ6eE

0:50

  On 1/8/2010 at 1:04 AM, The Dark Lord said:

I'm wondering how in techno/rave to achieve the fast fade out/velocity shift on the lead synth.

It usually occurs when there's a big buildup. LFO perhaps? Not sure. Examples Below.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEzc5s3QwKk

1:14

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd1b9kVJ6eE

0:50

couldn't listen to the first example but the second one is just volume automation...just record the movements of the volume fader to bring up the volume on the synth line. simple as that. part of me feels that is way too obvious so maybe you were asking about the sidechain compression effect. do you know about sidechaining? basically what 99.999999% of electronic producers in this genre do is push the synth lines and everything else down in volume every time the kick drum hits. this gives room for the kick to be the center of attention in dance music. to do this, you have to be using software that supports sidechaining, though most software these days does.

What you do is you put a compressor on the synth track, and then you feed the kick drum into that compressor so that it's analyzing the kick rather than the synth, but still having the effect on the synth (so whenever the kick goes over the threshold it will lower the volume of the synth). As you probably know, compressors have attack and release settings, and what you are hearing in this example is a long release, meaning (metaphorically speaking) the kick comes over and pushes the synth down, walks away, and then it takes a while for the synth to get back up. even though you aren't hearing the kick any more you are left hearing the synth "recovering" back to it's original volume. make sense? this effect is commonly referred to as "pumping".

Look it up, I don't think there has been as many "tutorials" and discussions about any other production technique on the internet as there has been about this.

  On 1/8/2010 at 3:02 AM, ryanmcallister said:

  On 1/8/2010 at 1:04 AM, The Dark Lord said:

I'm wondering how in techno/rave to achieve the fast fade out/velocity shift on the lead synth.

It usually occurs when there's a big buildup. LFO perhaps? Not sure. Examples Below.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEzc5s3QwKk

1:14

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd1b9kVJ6eE

0:50

couldn't listen to the first example but the second one is just volume automation...just record the movements of the volume fader to bring up the volume on the synth line. simple as that. part of me feels that is way too obvious so maybe you were asking about the sidechain compression effect. do you know about sidechaining? basically what 99.999999% of electronic producers in this genre do is push the synth lines and everything else down in volume every time the kick drum hits. this gives room for the kick to be the center of attention in dance music. to do this, you have to be using software that supports sidechaining, though most software these days does.

 

What you do is you put a compressor on the synth track, and then you feed the kick drum into that compressor so that it's analyzing the kick rather than the synth, but still having the effect on the synth (so whenever the kick goes over the threshold it will lower the volume of the synth). As you probably know, compressors have attack and release settings, and what you are hearing in this example is a long release, meaning (metaphorically speaking) the kick comes over and pushes the synth down, walks away, and then it takes a while for the synth to get back up. even though you aren't hearing the kick any more you are left hearing the synth "recovering" back to it's original volume. make sense? this effect is commonly referred to as "pumping".

 

Look it up, I don't think there has been as many "tutorials" and discussions about any other production technique on the internet as there has been about this.

Interesting.. How would I go about doing this in FL?

Are you saying mapping the two in the same channel's compressor on the mixer?

sorry mate don't use FL Studio. plenty of tutorials online if you look though.

here's one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud8FsMvdO1E

didn't watch the vid so i can't vouch for it but if nothing else you can get some lolz listening to thizh fag with hizh nerdy voizh and funny lizhp.

ryan is quite the gentleman

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  On 1/8/2010 at 11:53 AM, ryanmcallister said:

sorry mate don't use FL Studio. plenty of tutorials online if you look though.

 

here's one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud8FsMvdO1E

 

didn't watch the vid so i can't vouch for it but if nothing else you can get some lolz listening to thizh fag with hizh nerdy voizh and funny lizhp.

Thanks! I got it.