Cake Diagrams to Time Signatures

has it been invented yet? i'm on a fucking roll.

  On 3/23/2010 at 6:00 PM, mohamed said:

has it been invented yet? i'm on a fucking roll.

what, the 360 time circle?

i invented it already

circle of 5ths is the only thing i can think of because it is round like a round cake.

It is also very useful. But it doesn't have anything to do with time signatures. Closest thing i can think of.

I'm not sure what use a diagram of any sort for time signatures could have.

yo cool

bookmarked

  On 3/23/2010 at 6:13 PM, lala said:

  On 3/23/2010 at 6:00 PM, mohamed said:

has it been invented yet? i'm on a fucking roll.

 

 

what, the 360 time circle?

 

i invented it already

fucking lol

  On 3/24/2010 at 7:19 PM, Bubba69 said:

  On 3/23/2010 at 6:13 PM, lala said:

  On 3/23/2010 at 6:00 PM, mohamed said:

has it been invented yet? i'm on a fucking roll.

 

 

what, the 360 time circle?

 

i invented it already

 

fucking lol

im actually quite serious, in an experimental way. you can come up with odd things that work if you use 90/180/270/360 bpm but make the track sound normal at 360bpm... 180 is half speed, 90 is quarter, so its cut into 4 (4/4) and 45bpm is 360bpm cut into 8ths.. use ableton and lots of loops all locked to these tempos, change your tempo to the same tempos and change their quantize settings and you get workable results... bounce down and then retry playing them back at more tempos, but keep them fractions of each other... you end up with some shite, but some cool

i have written tracks, say at 180bpm, but actually at 225 (180+45) which worked because the tempos were fractions of each other..

360 being 360 degrees of a circle and the 4 corners being the 4/4..

you follow?

EARTH HAS 4 CORNER

SIMULTANEOUS 4-DAY

TIME CUBE

IN ONLY 24 HOUR ROTATION.

thanks for all the insight, i'll back to it when i'll be ready to put some thought into it

in the meantime, here's a song that helps me picture the buiding of a sound with the help of a circular timeline

i was undecided between this and 'Rock Around The Clock' for some kind of logos reason

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW3umzhy7a8

  On 3/27/2010 at 11:09 PM, mohamed said:

 

 

 

i was undecided between this and 'Rock Around The Clock' for some kind of logos reason

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XGXHDMIJw4

Wouldn't it be better to think of it as "This loop is happening at double speed/triple speed/etc"? Yes, thinking of it in concrete BPM works to an extent, as the "original BPM" is a variable that affects that, but you can also just drag the last marker (what would be beat 5 in a 4 beat loop) to some other beat (such as 3, which would double to speed) and not have to worry about doing fractions with 3-digit numbers. It also gives you the freedom to use whatever base tempo you want and not have to worry about how many times it will divide evenly.

  On 3/28/2010 at 11:09 PM, wahrk said:

Wouldn't it be better to think of it as "This loop is happening at double speed/triple speed/etc"? Yes, thinking of it in concrete BPM works to an extent, as the "original BPM" is a variable that affects that, but you can also just drag the last marker (what would be beat 5 in a 4 beat loop) to some other beat (such as 3, which would double to speed) and not have to worry about doing fractions with 3-digit numbers. It also gives you the freedom to use whatever base tempo you want and not have to worry about how many times it will divide evenly.

its odder to think about it in angles. lateral thinking an' that...

  On 3/29/2010 at 3:48 PM, lala said:

its odder to think about it in angles. lateral thinking an' that...

I don't see how it's angular at all. We're both thinking in fractions. Really the difference here is that your way requires you to do the math whilst mine simply lets the computer do it. You have to say, "Okay I want this to be at a quarter of the speed. My BPM is 240, so divided by 4 is 60." and then put that into the BPM field for that clip and lock it.

Meanwhile I just drag out the last marker to the end of bar 16 and I'm done. Same result achieved and I never even have to look at my master BPM.

  On 3/29/2010 at 4:50 PM, wahrk said:

  On 3/29/2010 at 3:48 PM, lala said:

its odder to think about it in angles. lateral thinking an' that...

 

I don't see how it's angular at all. We're both thinking in fractions. Really the difference here is that your way requires you to do the math whilst mine simply lets the computer do it. You have to say, "Okay I want this to be at a quarter of the speed. My BPM is 240, so divided by 4 is 60." and then put that into the BPM field for that clip and lock it.

 

Meanwhile I just drag out the last marker to the end of bar 16 and I'm done. Same result achieved and I never even have to look at my master BPM.

yep, ok i re-read and agree.

now do it with a lot of loops recorded, i.e. a song made up of loops with time sig changes in the way you described, and its a pita.

so change the tempo to a new fraction and bounce down the whole lot. do this a few more times and you have your whole song re-recorded as new edits, in fractions you know make something odd, but in time, happen....

?

but yeah, yours is a bit better

  On 3/29/2010 at 7:36 PM, lala said:

yep, ok i re-read and agree.

 

now do it with a lot of loops recorded, i.e. a song made up of loops with time sig changes in the way you described, and its a pita.

so change the tempo to a new fraction and bounce down the whole lot. do this a few more times and you have your whole song re-recorded as new edits, in fractions you know make something odd, but in time, happen....

 

?

 

but yeah, yours is a bit better

I might take a stab at this. In addressing the approach I neglected to mention that this is a pretty clever idea and really tickles me as I have a disgusting obsession with polyrhythm. You have any completed tracks done with this method?

  On 3/29/2010 at 8:04 PM, wahrk said:

  On 3/29/2010 at 7:36 PM, lala said:

yep, ok i re-read and agree.

 

now do it with a lot of loops recorded, i.e. a song made up of loops with time sig changes in the way you described, and its a pita.

so change the tempo to a new fraction and bounce down the whole lot. do this a few more times and you have your whole song re-recorded as new edits, in fractions you know make something odd, but in time, happen....

 

?

 

but yeah, yours is a bit better

 

I might take a stab at this. In addressing the approach I neglected to mention that this is a pretty clever idea and really tickles me as I have a disgusting obsession with polyrhythm. You have any completed tracks done with this method?

hmm i did some d&b which was at 225 but it was 180 with some sort of triplet-y rhythm going on.... i would have started at 180, and ended up with it at 225 somehow. (probably went from 180 to 270 and then did something and back down to 225 - this iirc gets good results, going faster then slower then faster, recording each take, but by 2 or 3 measures, or 'angles')

so, build up some loops at all the angles:

45

90

135

180

225

270

315

360

then play them back at 45,90,135.....360.

then repeat ad infinitum...

yes i ended up fraction-ing up to 720bpm and down to low speeds, but hey, it was fun!

tell me if you get anything else going on..

Orb sequencer

  On 3/23/2010 at 8:40 PM, Brandi_B said:

circle of 5ths is the only thing i can think of because it is round like a round cake.

 

 

It is also very useful. But it doesn't have anything to do with time signatures. Closest thing i can think of.

 

I'm not sure what use a diagram of any sort for time signatures could have.

me neither. but

5ths are nice, i like em.

Any reason why you've bumped this year old topic ?

you see, one could find himself singing 'pi zeta erre - pi zeta erre' (pzr-pzr)

into his mind and make out original ways of pressing keys-notes. the time you press it upon a beat. as if you were singing it.

what is this, 'time attack' for a note? i dunno, but is important as velocity at least!

Yep - Not good enough reason.

I'm going to say for now that this doesn't warrant closure...

erm, this ain't how polyrhythms work guys....

you don't have to become mariah carey to do that

you can sing that in mind. in your language.

it'ss an unlimited amount of original melodies, right at your fingers.

down with the sheet music. melodies for all