mixer send 2 abelton problems

Hey you guys, I have an issue with trying to record vocals via my mixer, into abelton.

Basically the problem is, on my sound card I have rca ins and outs. The mixer is sending the in track (the tune I am working on) to the track that I am trying to just record my mic into in abelton, instead of just sending the mic.

I think if I configure the out to use the tv's hdmi in abelton, I sould be able to just listen to the tune on the headphones, conncted to the tv but it's not ideal, can' really take the tv to gigs, Ive got this old crt monintor I am going to use, and thats not got hdmi.

I think I should be able to send via dvi? from abelton to use with the crt, but surely there must be a way to kill the in being sent again to abeton track, and just send the mic, keyboard etc from the mixer, using the mixers hedpones to listen to the abelton in.

Using a berhinger xenyx x1832

I can either send the rca outs from the pc to the "two track/usb" rca ins, or send it to a specific channel.

This has been frying my head all last night any advice greatly appriciated, thanks.

I tried reading that thread a few times and it didn't compute.

So whats wrong?

Whats the expected behavior you want?

  On 4/12/2010 at 8:16 PM, acid1 said:

I tried reading that thread a few times and it didn't compute.

 

So whats wrong?

 

Whats the expected behavior you want?

Using abelton, setting up new mixer and condenser mic,when i select a track in abelton to record into it is recording the track itself (the full tune i am working on) into the track in abelton along with what i am trying to send from the mixer, even with no sends at all coming from my mixer it is still doing it. could the dual rca/dual phonos leads which are in the channel in my mixer and the line 1/2 in my sound card be sending and recieving? when i just want to send?

What is set as your default recording device in Windows? If "Stereo Mix" or "What You Hear" are selected that might be the issue

What Hautlle said. Go to the in's for the track (either via the pulldown box or go to preferences->audio) and make sure the default recording input is set to the correct settings.

Also I'd make sure you aren't selecting "resample" as your source while recording.

  On 4/13/2010 at 5:41 PM, Hautlle said:

What is set as your default recording device in Windows? If "Stereo Mix" or "What You Hear" are selected that might be the issue

monitor -m audio audiofile set to default device in recording

  On 4/13/2010 at 5:45 PM, acid1 said:

What Hautlle said. Go to the in's for the track (either via the pulldown box or go to preferences->audio) and make sure the default recording input is set to the correct settings.

 

Also I'd make sure you aren't selecting "resample" as your source while recording.

I'm just coming from external in on the drop downs

other problems, i am getting the sound of my computer fan, hiss etc picked up by the speakers, and can hear the sounds of it working, fan getting faster, noise when scrolling etc,I am talking about this happening without the mic in the mixer.

(without mic in mixer)

one more thing, dismayed to find that mixer ads lag to abelton. didn't know they could do that. thought pci audiofile sound card would but an end to lag issues, whih it had before bringing mixer into equation. can you get zero lag mixers?

  On 4/14/2010 at 1:34 PM, David Daisley said:

other problems, i am getting the sound of my computer fan, hiss etc picked up by the speakers, and can hear the sounds of it working, fan getting faster, noise when scrolling etc,I am talking about this happening without the mic in the mixer.

 

(without mic in mixer)

Ya, that is general electrical interference. You'll get it with just about any internal soundcard. Sorry I can't help any further with your OP...

edit: To your second post, I don't think you can completely eliminate latency, it takes a finite amount of time for the electrical signal to travel through the wires and the mixer and back in.

  On 4/14/2010 at 4:20 PM, David Daisley said:

one more thing, dismayed to find that mixer ads lag to abelton. didn't know they could do that. thought pci audiofile sound card would but an end to lag issues, whih it had before bringing mixer into equation. can you get zero lag mixers?

The only thing that will reduce latency is sound cards that can offload some of the processing. That being said, there are some good soundcard/mixer combos, but they can get expensive.

If you are running windows, I'd suggest checking out ASIO4ALL if you haven't yet. Its a decent audio driver that will greatly reduce latency.

  On 4/14/2010 at 6:26 PM, acid1 said:

  On 4/14/2010 at 4:20 PM, David Daisley said:

one more thing, dismayed to find that mixer ads lag to abelton. didn't know they could do that. thought pci audiofile sound card would but an end to lag issues, whih it had before bringing mixer into equation. can you get zero lag mixers?

 

The only thing that will reduce latency is sound cards that can offload some of the processing. That being said, there are some good soundcard/mixer combos, but they can get expensive.

 

If you are running windows, I'd suggest checking out ASIO4ALL if you haven't yet. Its a decent audio driver that will greatly reduce latency.

Thanks, I was having latency problems until i got the 2496 audiophile card, the problems were sorted, down to 5 milliseconds, after i got the card. now i have added the mixer i have to put the buffer way up. Wasn't expecting to have this problem just introducing a mixer, is there mixers and cards out there which can get me to a stage were i am back back to around 5 milliseconds? i want to go synth/mic into mixer, abelton into mixer, synth mic to abelton, to record them.

will the ASIOFORALL conflict with my current audiofile 2496 or windows 7 settings?

Yeah the size of your buffer will have a direct impact to your latency. The bigger the buffer the bigger the latency. At the moment I think I rock ~128. That might be too large of a buffer size to you. Give it a shot none the less, then you might want to start dividing by 2 (so try 64 next, then 32 etc).

Unfortunately I can't speak on Windows 7, but I can say when I ran it on xp, that it was just another driver I could pick in my sound card preferences and would not conflict at all with the original drivers. I'd imagine it was the same way but I skipped Vista and 7 so I'm completely oblivious to the way windows handles things these days.

Cheers, I installed ASIO4ALL, not really had the chance to test it yet, but fingers crossed I think I have resolved the issue of the track playing the full mix in the track I am trying to record into in abelton by disarming the clip- solo in the channel on my mixer which the rca out from the sound card was coming.

Thanks for the advice, cleared up some major issues here, the only real problem I am left with is the phones/control room button on my mixer. turning it up means the volume raises in the headphones, the input level for the mixer (the synth and the mic)to abelton raises too which is all good, but it also sends the tune I am working on (listening to) on to the track I am trying to record into in abelton.

Do you guys ever get the same problem after browsing, crackles hiss etc, I have to restart, it's as if the flash overclocks the card or something.