the Dilla sound?

is it just me, or are the number of Dilla references/comparisons getting a little out of hand every time a new hip-hop production comes out?

I've seen so many comments that an album or artist is "Dilla-esque" or "post-Dilla" that I don't really understand what it means anymore. If I had to describe Dilla's sound, it would be the use of recognizable samples (not going out of his way to obscure them) juxtaposed with some really extreme sample like a siren or something (think Gobstoppers).

Maybe I'm wrong. but every album that has beats and samples now is being compared to Dilla. Dilla was great, but he certainly wasn't the first or the only producer to use beats and samples as the main elements of his tracks.

So what do all these comparisons mean then?

Like your comparison between La Fine Equipe and J Dilla?

haha, yeah exactly

  On 4/16/2010 at 2:58 PM, LOL Alzado said:

If I had to describe Dilla's sound, it would be the use of recognizable samples (not going out of his way to obscure them) juxtaposed with some really extreme sample like a siren or something (think Gobstoppers).

i guess that might be close if you've only ever heard Donuts. But since that is really the only album that applies to that description, i'd say you're a bit off.

  On 4/16/2010 at 3:07 PM, Enter a new display name said:

Like your comparison between La Fine Equipe and J Dilla?

LOL pwn!

actual dilla sound:

[youtubehd]ceJJpuREXm0[/youtubehd]

[youtubehd]0a9_O1M4slA[/youtubehd]

a bunch of classics here:

[youtubehd]0bFEVeqdSTM[/youtubehd]

Do any of those sound like your description?

  On 4/16/2010 at 3:15 PM, blicero said:

i guess that might be close if you've only ever heard Donuts. But since that is really the only album that applies to that description, i'd say you're a bit off.

  On 4/16/2010 at 3:15 PM, blicero said:

actual dilla sound:

 

[youtubehd]ceJJpuREXm0[/youtubehd]

This is tight as fuck. I never heard of Slum Village until now.

I'm going to throw out "Adult Swim bumper music" as an alternative. As mentioned earlier, most people bringing up Dilla are referring to his very late era solo beats. It'd be like everyone comparing any IDM to "Aphex Twin" instead of a specific album.

Pretty much what everyone here is saying. If you listen to any pre-2003 beats from Dilla, you'll see why a lot of people compare all of the Los Angeles beat artists to him. The same snare swing, the dirty percussion, airy samples and all that. Sure they switched it up to make it their own thing, but a lot of artists took some ideas from Dilla.

Now stuff like Donuts, Ruff Draft, The Shining, that's where I agree with you that there's not too much being taken from there.

Kinda OT, but I finally listened to 1st Down (his collab w/Phat Kat in the very early '90s, some of his first beats). This one is incredible, it's unlike a beat I've ever heard from him since, reminds me of very early Madlib almost.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up4qSz5v5fE

Man I'm all Dilla-d out now, one of my favorite producers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgt4ktbMxWU

and definitely in my top 3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0g_LJ-OFX8

sample from the Beatles (not exactly a sample, but most known from them):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RC-x9-Xeuc4

I think the whole thing goes something like this: before the whole wonky thing exploded, and before it was called as such, it very much existed and was called "abstract hip-hop". Samiyam, Dilla and Madlib (and occasionally RZA, and some might say even early Prefuse before he went all edit-y) are the only ones i know of, but there's probably loads others, these being just the most seminal\popular. Very different amongst themselves.

Now take wonky: tons of different styles similar only in overall "feel" if anything. Now, FlyLo seems to be a sort of guiding flame of wonky, since he's easily the most popular in the whole "genre", Adult Swim bumps and all that, as is said above. And FlyLo has very apparent and numerous Dilla influences.

So they take the most seminal and prolific abstract hip hop guy and link him to the most seminal and popular wonky guy and voila: now everything that comes out that is remotely "wonky" and has a remotely ethereal sample or a snare that 3 ticks to the right on the grid is gonna be called "Dilla-esque" or "post-Dilla" in this inane mission of journalists to place everything in an anal little prison of chronology.

But what do i know, i've got conjunctivitis.

  On 4/16/2010 at 4:08 PM, Enter a new display name said:

This is tight as fuck. I never heard of Slum Village until now.

oh man.... you are in for some amazing shit, my friend.

start here: http://www.lala.com/#album/1657606138382647478/Slum_Village/Fan-Tas-Tic_Vol._1

then here: http://www.lala.com/#album/1657606138212647144/Slum_Village/J-88

Also....

And don't forget:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl_9ZkzrUkQ

Blicero, was that Aa track from the other thread one of your dtrenz tracks? It's pretty tight.

  On 4/16/2010 at 6:23 PM, LOL Alzado said:

Blicero, was that Aa track from the other thread one of your dtrenz tracks? It's pretty tight.

  On 4/16/2010 at 6:16 PM, Greg Reason said:

And don't forget:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jl_9ZkzrUkQ

or this...

[youtubehd]oecneY2-6No[/youtubehd]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KTF3eqtxgY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxA-MvXfzjo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9QYv9XBMHI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4x8jOQp2zY&feature=related

  On 4/16/2010 at 3:15 PM, blicero said:

[youtubehd]0bFEVeqdSTM[/youtubehd]

What's the name of the second track?

Oh, it's a countdown. Track #19 then.

  On 4/16/2010 at 7:18 PM, Lascaille said:

  On 4/16/2010 at 3:15 PM, blicero said:

[youtubehd]0bFEVeqdSTM[/youtubehd]

 

What's the name of the second track?

Slum Village - "Do You" [Detroit Deli - 2004]

Great, thanks.

  On 4/16/2010 at 7:33 PM, Lascaille said:

Great, thanks.

I don't know if you know who he is, or care, but MC Breed does a cameo on that track.

Dillaaaaaaa

I'm glad I started this thread. There's good stuff here. I just bought the Fantastic Vol. 2.10 instrumental tracks.

dilla subforum or bust.