music in the fourth dimension

so this kind of peels off of the "things your friends say" thread in a way. my roommate made another comment on me listening to VHS Head, and that was that it "sounds like he's in the fourth dimension making music because i just can't understand it, it's like he's got another dimension to work with."

which got me thinking...

what would music in the fourth dimension sound like? and could that be accurately represented in the third dimension in any way?

i mean, think about it, atoms would have another dimension in which to vibrate. it wouldn't just be x/y/z vibration, there'd be another direction for them to go that our feeble minds just can't comprehend! think of the possibilities!

any ideas, really? should we ring up gerald donald and tell him to have a go?

Lol, Justice in 4 dimensions.

haha

vomit

honestly did not even think of that lolol

  On 9/1/2010 at 3:03 PM, disparaissant said:

what would music in the fourth dimension sound like?

aphex twin

you mean someday snares will have samples about rape and murder attacking us from four dimensions?! YES! i've always felt that the boundaries of reality were holding him back.

could be argued music is already 4d. sound is vibration in a three-dimensional medium, with frequency determined by time (a fourth)

  On 9/1/2010 at 3:32 PM, kaini said:

could be argued music is already 4d. sound is vibration in a three-dimensional medium, with frequency determined by time (a fourth)

excellent point! but i'm thinking four spatial dimensions specifically.

hmmm. well a three-dimensional egg intersecting a 2-d universe would appear as a variety of ovals, so it's just a matter of moving that visualisation 'up a dimension'. my first instinct is you'd hear bizarre modulations in frequency and amplitude if we experienced a 4-d sound intersecting our 3-d world.

right so

1.) buy broken yamaha dx-7

2.) record said broken dx-7

3.) market recorded audio as "fourth dimensional sound"

4.) "profit"

i have a business plan, time to get to work.

  On 9/1/2010 at 3:47 PM, disparaissant said:

right so

1.) buy broken yamaha dx-7

2.) record said broken dx-7

3.) market recorded audio as "fourth dimensional sound"

4.) Underpants

5.) ???

6.) "profit"

i have a business plan, time to get to work.

i seem to recall awepittance going on about some exotic ethneogen before that caused similar sound distortion, actually.

  On 9/1/2010 at 3:29 PM, no carrier said:

you mean someday snares will have samples about rape and murder attacking us from four dimensions?! YES! i've always felt that the boundaries of reality were holding him back.

LOL at the thought of Snares being anything more than one dimensional

  On 9/1/2010 at 3:53 PM, disparaissant said:

where would i be without you chassis

5th dimension?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWVe3AB8OY8

oh god no

wasn't this attempted in the early 90s?

  On 9/1/2010 at 3:54 PM, Obel said:

LOL at the thought of Snares being anything more than one dimensional

YESSSSSSS... Give in to your hate!

it would sound like the LHC comp

Well since we are 3rd dimensional entities, we are only capable of seeing the shadow of a 4th dimensional object. What the actual 4th dimensional object is, we will never fully see unless it is filtered into a 3rd dimensional interpretation. So until we transcend as a human entity or invent the flux capacitor, we will only be able to "hear" the shadow of 4th dimensional music.

thought the 4th one was time.. though i don't think the 7 other dimensions have been 'labeled' quite yet. if the 4th is time, then John Cage already has it covered? whatever

  On 9/1/2010 at 7:16 PM, mafted said:

thought the 4th one was time.. though i don't think the 7 other dimensions have been 'labeled' quite yet. if the 4th is time, then John Cage already has it covered? whatever

My thought exactly.

Minus the bit about John Cage and the shrugging.

I'm pretty sure music is already in four dimensions, with time - or duration if you will - being our perception of it. I think the real question is: "What would music in five dimensions sound like?"

Allow me to give my relatively uneducated guess: Five dimensional music might start with the same conditions and based on certain arbitrary choices of coercive influences it would eventually end up as a different piece of music that grew from those initial settings. It would seem that Brian Eno's generative music models are a close representation of this. He sets the initial values and rules and a new piece of music is generated each time they are engaged.

Now my understanding is still somewhat naive, so I ask you this: Would we be able to theoretically somehow perceive both musical paths simultaneously? Or do we only get to perceive one permutation of these rules at a time?

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Here's an explanation of at least ten dimensions:

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[youtubehd]ySBaYMESb8o&feature=channel[/youtubehd]

  On 9/1/2010 at 3:34 PM, disparaissant said:

  On 9/1/2010 at 3:32 PM, kaini said:

could be argued music is already 4d. sound is vibration in a three-dimensional medium, with frequency determined by time (a fourth)

excellent point! but i'm thinking four spatial dimensions specifically.

  On 9/1/2010 at 7:44 PM, 277: 930-933 said:

  On 9/1/2010 at 7:16 PM, mafted said:

thought the 4th one was time.. though i don't think the 7 other dimensions have been 'labeled' quite yet.

My thought exactly.

  On 9/2/2010 at 1:38 AM, Wall Bird said:

I'm pretty sure music is already in four dimensions, with time - or duration if you will - being our perception of it.

dudes

We would only hear it in the current dimensions that we occupy, so unless the "4th spacial dimension" part of the music effects the 3rd it would sound the same. For fun you could speculate about what if we could hear in 4 dimensions but that gets complex on a retarded level.