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hey there i have some drum samples, and i would like to equalize out the vocals and other shit like bass or guitar how can i do this please

thanks

thiss is a difficult question to answer, and the best analogy i've heard is that sparating a complete piece of recorded music is like trying to remove the eggs from a cake once it's baked.

there are a few techniques you can use, if your drums are panned centrally, more-or-less, and other things are panned left or right. you layer a phase reverse vwersion of the sample over the original, and the panned parts will phase cancel slightly. or sometimes completely if you're lucky.

unfortunately for you, drums fill the full frequency range, top to bottmo, so you can't really eq other stuff out (you're talking about a notch cut of 60dbu here ), you'll lose large bits of the drums.

apparently there's a 'vocal removal' tool in ableton, or maybe for ableton. i couldn't say how effective this is because i've never used it.

good luck.

adobe audition has something ive wanted to make for ages.. it does vocal cuts in the frequency domain, meaning it deals with bins rather than samples, but that means it can isolate things anywhere in the pan dimension.. so you can remove everything BUT the center channel.. or you can remove everything but the 25% pan area.. etc. you set the threshold of what it considers that area to be and stuff...

in practice, with complex signals, it has that typical FFT blurbiness sound.. but with tweaking you can do cool shit.. stuff you could never do with pure phase inversion + addition.

well really, all you could ever do with that is center channel removal (you cant remove all but the center channel for example, do the math or look it up and youll maybe see what i mean)

you also set a frequency range, and other parameters. its cool.

hmmm, it seems hard, cause i got some disco records, and i've sampled some drums but theres tonnes of other shit like guitar, how does people who sample beats get such clean drum patterns with no other crap in the back, such as wagon christ

they sampe bits where it's just the drums playing.. is the simple answer.

if you are looking for breaks, do a google for "free downloadable breaks beats hits"

you'll probably find a ton of useable stuff.

The impression I always got from listening to Wagon Christ was that Luke Vibert spent fucking ages on his drum sounds... not sampling them straight, but layering, EQing and doing all sorts of magic with single hits to make his own fly, unique sounds. I reckon his drum sounds are really a trademark of his style, you can't just sample that sort of thing.

As for sampled beats, they are simply taken from parts of tracks that just have a drum beat on its own, this was called a "drum break" or indeed a "break beat". Very common in old funk tracks and that sort of thing

  loganfive said:

they sampe bits where it's just the drums playing.. is the simple answer.

Exactly.

yeah i'm not looking for break beats just good/cool jazz or funk beats nice and groovy or jazzy

I like this one

If you can't find isolated drums, try this:

1. Load the beat you want to sample into Acid.

2. Run the beatmapper wizard to find where all the bars and beats are in the sample.

3. Use MIDI to "play along" with the drums until you have recreated the beat.

4. Play around with drum samples, eq, reverb until you have somthing like the original.

haha if it was easy to get breaks then everyone would be doing it and we wouldn't hear the same break used a million times. haha

  awkward said:

haha if it was easy to get breaks then everyone would be doing it and we wouldn't hear the same break used a million times. haha

but it is easy.

i d/l ed three fucking massive directories of breaks about two years ago... haven't found the end to the folders yet..

unfortunately the links don't work any more, but there's tons out there if you look.

i'm not looking for breaks, but can some some post me a site where there are some free ones

  Mr. Magoo said:

i'm not looking for breaks, but can some some post me a site where there are some free ones

you are. you want drums with no other instruments, right? breaks.

there's a few here.

nice linky 'boo.

cheers

  loganfive said:

but it is easy.

 

i d/l ed three fucking massive directories of breaks about two years ago... haven't found the end to the folders yet..

 

unfortunately the links don't work any more, but there's tons out there if you look.

yeah sure i have a similiar folder. i guess people only use the easiest mostly. i've hardly started on my folder...infact i don't think i've ever used one...

Breakbeats are pretty brachiosaur these days anyway.

Why not just make up yr own beats?

  awkward said:

  loganfive said:

but it is easy.

 

i d/l ed three fucking massive directories of breaks about two years ago... haven't found the end to the folders yet..

 

unfortunately the links don't work any more, but there's tons out there if you look.

 

yeah sure i have a similiar folder. i guess people only use the easiest mostly. i've hardly started on my folder...infact i don't think i've ever used one...

i don't use them as breaks generally, i just search through them looking for nice hits.

i've never used an amen or a funky drummer yet.

same here

altho on hearing my trks people say "nice break" which always confuses me