Incunabula

Aside from the Alesis MMT8, what else was used in its creation?

TR-808

i would assume that they were sequencing using an Atari and either C-Lab Notator or Emagic Logic as their software

www.soundonsound.com/sos/apr04/articles/autechre.htm

i read somewhere that they modified (or circuit bent as its called now) the FZ1

htf can you tell what they used to sequence? i'd say add a Juno to that list.

  On 11/4/2010 at 5:36 PM, mafted said:

htf can you tell what they used to sequence? i'd say add a Juno to that list.

from the interview that Soundwave linked, the Atari is referenced multiple times.

considering their penchant for having total control over stuff, i would say that they were probably using Logic, simply because of the flexibility of the Environment section in Logic, whereby you could re-route MIDI internally and do all sorts of nifty stuff. i'm pretty sure you couldn't do the same with Pro-16, Pro-24 or Cubase at the time.

  On 11/4/2010 at 3:52 PM, oscillik said:

TR-808

i would assume that they were sequencing using an Atari and either C-Lab Notator or Emagic Logic as their software

i don't think they owned an 808 at this point. there's a lot of 606 on that album though, definitely.

it's mostly all Juno 106, 606, Alesis HR-16, Alesis Quadraverb and Casio SK-1.. real basic stylee.

  On 11/4/2010 at 6:29 PM, oscillik said:

considering their penchant for having total control over stuff, i would say that they were probably using Logic, simply because of the flexibility of the Environment section in Logic, whereby you could re-route MIDI internally and do all sorts of nifty stuff. i'm pretty sure you couldn't do the same with Pro-16, Pro-24 or Cubase at the time.

it's their most basic and simplistic (but lovely) album. one of my favs of theirs.

i don't think they'd of needed Logic back then to make that album.

probably just a hundfull of kit, an MMT-8 and an Atari.. they weren't that mega mega mega in those days!

which is why i love their early stuff, before they went nuts and turned into mad electronica scientists. :)

The Ensoniq ASR-10 was released in '92 so it's just about conceivable that it made an appearance in some form. Though I have a DP2 and nothing in particular on Incunabula jumps out as having the Ensoniq sound.

  On 11/4/2010 at 6:35 PM, sirch said:

  On 11/4/2010 at 3:52 PM, oscillik said:

TR-808

i would assume that they were sequencing using an Atari and either C-Lab Notator or Emagic Logic as their software

 

i don't think they owned an 808 at this point. there's a lot of 606 on that album though, definitely.

 

it's mostly all Juno 106, 606, Alesis HR-16, Alesis Quadraverb and Casio SK-1.. real basic stylee.

there's definitely some 808 usage on there in some form, whether it be sampled or the real thing. can't mistake those hihats and crash cymbal.

  On 11/4/2010 at 6:43 PM, sirch said:

  On 11/4/2010 at 6:29 PM, oscillik said:

considering their penchant for having total control over stuff, i would say that they were probably using Logic, simply because of the flexibility of the Environment section in Logic, whereby you could re-route MIDI internally and do all sorts of nifty stuff. i'm pretty sure you couldn't do the same with Pro-16, Pro-24 or Cubase at the time.

 

it's their most basic and simplistic (but lovely) album. one of my favs of theirs.

i don't think they'd of needed Logic back then to make that album.

probably just a hundfull of kit, an MMT-8 and an Atari.. they weren't that mega mega mega in those days!

which is why i love their early stuff, before they went nuts and turned into mad electronica scientists. :)

yeah, i'll concede that Logic probably would've been a bit overkill for what they needed back for Incunabula. Notator is defnitely a strong contender though.

some good insights

cheeky little DX-100 (not my videos)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tbEyA_PfqQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDrZfmZuebs

  On 11/4/2010 at 8:01 PM, oscillik said:

there's definitely some 808 usage on there in some form, whether it be sampled or the real thing. can't mistake those hihats and crash cymbal.

maybe it was the CR-8000 (sounds quite like the 808.. and much much cheaper!), cos Vangelis used it on Bladerunner. ;)

cr-8000 hats, yaa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWmGKdDBkK0

  On 11/4/2010 at 8:37 PM, sirch said:

cheeky little DX-100 (not my videos)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tbEyA_PfqQ

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDrZfmZuebs

yeah they've always liked their FM synthesis

  On 11/4/2010 at 8:42 PM, sirch said:

  On 11/4/2010 at 8:01 PM, oscillik said:

there's definitely some 808 usage on there in some form, whether it be sampled or the real thing. can't mistake those hihats and crash cymbal.

 

maybe it was the CR-8000 (sounds quite like the 808.. and much much cheaper!), cos Vangelis used it on Bladerunner. ;)

yeah that's definitely a possibility, although they would definitely have had to sample the hits, since the CompuRhythm boxes you couldn't really program beats into them could you? you were stuck with the presets right?

  On 11/4/2010 at 8:54 PM, sirch said:

cr-8000 hats, yaa

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWmGKdDBkK0

I remember the first time I heard that tune I swear I'd never heard a bassline as powerful as that one. Absolute classic!

  On 11/4/2010 at 9:47 PM, oscillik said:

  On 11/4/2010 at 8:42 PM, sirch said:

  On 11/4/2010 at 8:01 PM, oscillik said:

there's definitely some 808 usage on there in some form, whether it be sampled or the real thing. can't mistake those hihats and crash cymbal.

 

maybe it was the CR-8000 (sounds quite like the 808.. and much much cheaper!), cos Vangelis used it on Bladerunner. ;)

yeah that's definitely a possibility, although they would definitely have had to sample the hits, since the CompuRhythm boxes you couldn't really program beats into them could you? you were stuck with the presets right?

no mate you had some space to make some of your own beats, but it wasn't much. like 2 patterns or something ridicullous.

it was mostly all preset loops, yeah.. but you can mix 'em and turn down the volume of some of the parts (i think), like the Korg KR-55,

as used by Depeche Mode.

  On 11/4/2010 at 10:07 PM, sirch said:

  On 11/4/2010 at 9:47 PM, oscillik said:

  On 11/4/2010 at 8:42 PM, sirch said:

  On 11/4/2010 at 8:01 PM, oscillik said:

there's definitely some 808 usage on there in some form, whether it be sampled or the real thing. can't mistake those hihats and crash cymbal.

 

maybe it was the CR-8000 (sounds quite like the 808.. and much much cheaper!), cos Vangelis used it on Bladerunner. ;)

yeah that's definitely a possibility, although they would definitely have had to sample the hits, since the CompuRhythm boxes you couldn't really program beats into them could you? you were stuck with the presets right?

 

no mate you had some space to make some of your own beats, but it wasn't much. like 2 patterns or something ridicullous.

it was mostly all preset loops, yeah.. but you can mix 'em and turn down the volume of some of the parts (i think), like the Korg KR-55,

as used by Depeche Mode.

ahh, i see. i must be thinking of the CR-78 or something, i know those were definitely preset patterns that you couldn't really do much with.

the R8 had an a card with 808/909

  On 11/5/2010 at 11:03 AM, soundwave said:

the R8 had an a card with 808/909

a man in the know

  On 11/5/2010 at 11:03 AM, soundwave said:

the R8 had an a card with 808/909

Ah yes! everybody loves that drum machine. i'm pretty sure they had an HR-16 aswell though.

suprised they didn't have a couple more synths! 106, 202, DX-100 seems to be it? and the rest drum/percussion sounds/samples.

but "i have no idea 'bout what's going on" :)

  On 11/5/2010 at 3:49 PM, sirch said:

but "i have no idea 'bout what's going on" :)

i have the record they sampled that from. when i listened to it for the first time, i nearly fell off my chair

  On 11/5/2010 at 11:03 AM, soundwave said:

the R8 had an a card with 808/909

outrageous!! a rompler with all that aliasing... i can't believe it.

Bump!

I was listening to this today and Bronchus 2 stuck out. I hadn't realized it before, but something about it's sound was really familiar. It reminds me of some examples tape delay emulation effects + distortion I've heard in VST and effects unit demos, but this was made in 1993 and I know they didn't have a Space Echo or anything like that. Anyone have any idea how they made it?

http://youtu.be/gEa1xgAfOs4

This tracks have similar tones at the beginning:

http://youtu.be/LQ9DMb_dgn8

1:38-1:50 on this one

One of the VSTs that came to mind:

in bronchus 2 it always sounded to me like they were using a mono subtractive synth to make some kind of rounded off pitch envelope bass drum kind of a patch. Like if you wanted to go halfway in between what a normal bass drum patch would be and a normal tone. Often when im trying to make a bass drum patch on my modular setup you can get similar sounds very easily. The high chirp part of it to me seems like they are changing the pitch of it perhaps with note values, or it could even be a LPF flter at 100% resonance being controlled with note pitch values. Doesn't sound like tape echo to me

that track is just a great example of how abstract autechre have always been, one of the best tracks off that album and it doesn't really sound aged at all like some of the other tracks.

  On 11/13/2013 at 11:44 PM, John Ehrlichman said:

in bronchus 2 it always sounded to me like they were using a mono subtractive synth to make some kind of rounded off pitch envelope bass drum kind of a patch. Like if you wanted to go halfway in between what a normal bass drum patch would be and a normal tone. Often when im trying to make a bass drum patch on my modular setup you can get similar sounds very easily. The high chirp part of it to me seems like they are changing the pitch of it perhaps with note values, or it could even be a LPF flter at 100% resonance being controlled with note pitch values. Doesn't sound like tape echo to me

 

that track is just a great example of how abstract autechre have always been, one of the best tracks off that album and it doesn't really sound aged at all like some of the other tracks.

Informative as usual! That makes a lot more sense than tape delay.

Noticed some similar timbres in this track too, at the end especially:

http://youtu.be/Vp-whbTo-wo