Recommend some free jazz or 20th century orchestral music

I feel like listening to some instrumental music more aligned with experimental techniques. I know the usual suspects in orchestral-ish/electronic music (cage, stock, xen, budd, partch, boulez, etc). Any other recommendations?

I really dont think you want it. But I had to study this piece of crap.

Just because he's Irish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41XrSLNbasA

noah howard - the black ark

ornette coleman - free jazz

flaherty corsano duo - last eyes

free jazz is such a blanket statement, i protest this thread

  On 11/15/2010 at 11:20 PM, KY said:

free jazz is such a blanket statement, i protest this thread

I define free jazz as focused more on improvisation and less so on structured guidelines of a composition. For example, not the kind of jazz on the radio and not "Kind of Blue".

AMM

Supersilent

listen

now

AMM are an important British free improvisation group, founded in London, England in 1965.

AMM have never been well-known to the general public, but have been incredibly influential on the field of improvised music. AMM have been called "legendary"[1] and "groundbreaking."[2], and are notable as perhaps the first musical group deliberately to try to make music not related to any established musical genre: as Michael Nyman wrote, "AMM seem to have worked without the benefit or hindrance of any kind of prepared external discipline." [3]

Most of their recordings have been released on Matchless Recordings, run by founder member and percussionist Eddie Prévost.

In a 2001 interview, founding member Keith Rowe was asked if "AMM" was an abbreviation; he replied, "The letters AMM stand for something, but as you probably know it's a secret!"[4]

for structured free improvisation there are many classics

Pharaoh Sanders' album Karma is my favorite recording of all time, a monolith of spiritual beauty unstoppable.

Cecil Taylor's album Unit Structures is a different kind of painting, get it.

for some violent, nihilistic, and ultimately transcendent free jazz:

Peter Brotzmann - Machine Gun

for a classic that I've at times loved and at times not cared as much about:

John Coltrane - Ascension

for some reason I've had great trouble getting into anything Ornette Coleman ever was a part of..who knows.

and of course Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch. Probably the most successful at being both extremely avant-garde and accessible at once.

Flowers of Hell - Come Hell or High Water

coltrane - sun ship

julius hemphill - coon bidness or dogon a.d.

do you say orchestral music when you mean like experimental music coming out of the classical tradition?

Terry Riley

Steve Reich

La Monte Young

Christian Wolff

Morton Feldman

Fred Rzewski

Alvin Lucier

Gordon Mumma

If you want more orchestral stuff - maybe ligeti and john adams...

  On 11/15/2010 at 11:50 PM, vamos scorcho said:

Peter Brotzmann - Machine Gun

seconded. shit is almost free jazz grindcore/punk. it's violent lol... and obviously a huge influence on john zorn. actually, OP, john zorn's naked city is absolutely mental and completely excellent. you should get that too.

  On 11/15/2010 at 11:50 PM, vamos scorcho said:

for some reason I've had great trouble getting into anything Ornette Coleman ever was a part of..who knows.

have you tried the compilation Art of the Improvisers? ornette's melody lines were always a bit eccentric, but this is 1959-1961 stuff, recorded when he was sort of on the cusp of the decision "fuck it, let's have a band in each ear".

  On 11/15/2010 at 11:50 PM, vamos scorcho said:

and of course Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch. Probably the most successful at being both extremely avant-garde and accessible at once.

i didn't mention cos the melodies are sometimes 'normal', whatever that is, but omg, incredible album.

Sooooo... no one mentioned Miles Davis?

  On 11/15/2010 at 9:25 PM, chassis said:

I really dont think you want it. But I had to study this piece of crap.

 

Just because he's Irish

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41XrSLNbasA

Not bad! Gerald Barry's piano 4tet too yes?

anyway, some to add beyond the usual ligeti/ stockhausen/ xenakis/ reich:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x19g2w1XI54

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw17kS7l2sI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYA3N9mUXZo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cl_QNZVip4(this one comes particularly highly recommended!)

wow. I've never met anyone else who was hip to scelsi!!!

yeah he is epppppiiiiic

joe mcphee

  On 11/16/2010 at 7:01 PM, dr lopez said:

wow. I've never met anyone else who was hip to scelsi!!!

 

yeah he is epppppiiiiic

i was also thinking of recommending some scelsi

im also hip!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GZgbt9sTcY

that's some goddamn motherfucking straight-up 60's orchestral pure dark ambient right there

  On 11/16/2010 at 7:01 PM, dr lopez said:

wow. I've never met anyone else who was hip to scelsi!!!

 

yeah he is epppppiiiiic

Ha, come hang out with my friends, you'll get sick of it pretty quickly. You're right though, amazing composer... apparently a pretty damn good ballroom dancer too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4mTdOn5DzQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2ztiIdSDaY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14Pspjok78

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgy1E4YFef8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icruGcSsPp0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8DwthVf-Wg&feature=related

Albert Ayler

You (and perhaps fellow Scelsi fans) also might want to try out some Alfred Schnittke

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYLpMmw_DUE

I'm currently in love with his stuff. Especially his Concerto For Piano & Strings, wich I'm not going to give a youtube link of because the piece is +25 minutes long and I can't find a quality recording on that site.

ViV "sea shells listening"

  On 11/16/2010 at 11:30 PM, triachus said:

You (and perhaps fellow Scelsi fans) also might want to try out some Alfred Schnittke

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYLpMmw_DUE

 

 

I'm currently in love with his stuff. Especially his Concerto For Piano & Strings, wich I'm not going to give a youtube link of because the piece is +25 minutes long and I can't find a quality recording on that site.

Can't think of two more dissimilar composers really, Schnittke the traditionalist who smashes existing musical styles together and Scelsi who invents an entirely new sound. Both quite good pieces though, I've played the piano quintet before.

Jan Johansson

  On 11/15/2010 at 11:50 PM, vamos scorcho said:

for structured free improvisation there are many classics

 

Pharaoh Sanders' album Karma is my favorite recording of all time, a monolith of spiritual beauty unstoppable.

 

Cecil Taylor's album Unit Structures is a different kind of painting, get it.

 

for some violent, nihilistic, and ultimately transcendent free jazz:

 

Peter Brotzmann - Machine Gun

 

for a classic that I've at times loved and at times not cared as much about:

 

John Coltrane - Ascension

 

 

 

for some reason I've had great trouble getting into anything Ornette Coleman ever was a part of..who knows.

 

Pha

 

and of course Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch. Probably the most successful at being both extremely avant-garde and accessible at once.

Pharaoh Sanders - Karma

Beautiful album*****