North Korea attacks South Korea

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AM0YS20101123

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/23/nkorea.skorea.military.fire/?hpt=T1

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-11-23/s-korea-scrambles-jets-returns-fire-after-north-shells-island.html

Again.

pointless posturing.

Subforum.

if Iran did this we'd be up their ass within seconds

yikes

North Korea dont have Oil.

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The South Korean response is interesting, they almost never respond militarily after the fact. The two countries are still at war, and North Korea recently withdrew from the ceasefire armistice that was signed in 1953...I got my fingers crossed hoping for the best, cause if anything goes off it's gonna be ugly, and the death toll in both Koreas will make the middle east look like a schoolyard lunchtime brawl.

So when is Kim Jong il going to die already, I mean come on

  On 11/23/2010 at 10:12 AM, kaen said:

So when is Kim Jong il going to die already, I mean come on

Yeah, everything's gonna be solved then.

I know where I can find dog meat in Shanghai, but where am I going to find Dogmeat? I need my post-apocalyptic canine companion.

Uh oh.

Well it looks like things have settled down for now...been talking with friends in Korea. Seems the general mood there is one of confusion, as in why the fuck is North Korea doing this now?

I don't know what NK is looking to do here, other than trolling on the international stage. If they are seriously going to escalate this to an all out war, they will get their shit handed to them. Their soldiers might be brainwashed into thinking they are the shit, but I doubt they have a chance if the US gets involved with their oversized war machine. Most of the population are starving already, what will happen if they get bombed too?

There were some completely unsubstantiated reports that Kim Jung was dead and that this was an act of remembrance.

More likely that N.K. still feel a bit overlooked. America just came to visit and completely ignored them as usual.

this has been all over the news in japan all day. currently watching the dissemination of it on NHK 1 (in English). I think I best be packing up my family soon and getting out of Asia.

Maybe Kim Jung has fallen ill and is like "Fuck it if I die everyone else dies!".

I suppose it could be due to the soon-to-be demise of old Kimmy. But then it's his son who's taking over the reigns. Who's to say whether he isn't also a bit of a power mad nutter. It'll be interesting to see if any change is made in relations between North and South once he snuffs it.

It's such a small, sporadic attack on a pretty crummy island that there can be no intention other than 'look-at-me-world'.

If North Korea had anything going on they'd just attack a mainland city already. Fucking pussies.

Would be amazing if Kim's son comes out after his death and is all like 'Yeah, my dad was fucking nuts, sorry about that guys. Here, take all this plutonium he was hiding. Can I come to your party now?'

Hexson - no need to move the family out yet. If North Korea was going all out they would launch their artillery pieces at Japan and South Korea. There would be about 3 days of ground fighting, with the north capitulating.

The North is not hiding their uranium, http://iis-db.stanford.edu/pubs/23035/Yongbyonreport.pdf read the report and take a look.

I wonder how much play this little snippet will get:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE6AM05P20101123?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r3:c0.068257:b39760994:z0

probably none at all.

What i believe is that there are factions in the North, and the hawks are saying "look, Kim Jeong Eun is coming to power but that doesn't mean we're going soft or anything."

I wish the North Korean elite would take their cue from the Chinese - get richer through trade than you could ever hope to be through a policy of autarky, and improve the quality of life for more of your people. The majority of people won't question much as long as you show them actual gain. Is it ideal? No. Is it better than what's going on now? Hell yes.

  On 11/23/2010 at 12:47 PM, chenGOD said:

Well it looks like things have settled down for now...been talking with friends in Korea. Seems the general mood there is one of confusion, as in why the fuck is North Korea doing this now?

Kim's son is taking power, and has to show he's not soft.

  On 11/23/2010 at 2:20 PM, spratters said:

I suppose it could be due to the soon-to-be demise of old Kimmy. But then it's his son who's taking over the reigns. Who's to say whether he isn't also a bit of a power mad nutter. It'll be interesting to see if any change is made in relations between North and South once he snuffs it.

Probably not - Kim's son, while being schooled outside NK, probably is brainwashed enough by the power and position he'll attain that he thinks continuing the status quo is the best path forward (for now).

  On 11/23/2010 at 7:42 PM, chenGOD said:

Hexson - no need to move the family out yet. If North Korea was going all out they would launch their artillery pieces at Japan and South Korea. There would be about 3 days of ground fighting, with the north capitulating.

 

The North is not hiding their uranium, http://iis-db.stanford.edu/pubs/23035/Yongbyonreport.pdf read the report and take a look.

 

I wonder how much play this little snippet will get:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE6AM05P20101123?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r3:c0.068257:b39760994:z0

 

probably none at all.

 

What i believe is that there are factions in the North, and the hawks are saying "look, Kim Jeong Eun is coming to power but that doesn't mean we're going soft or anything."

I wish the North Korean elite would take their cue from the Chinese - get richer through trade than you could ever hope to be through a policy of autarky, and improve the quality of life for more of your people. The majority of people won't question much as long as you show them actual gain. Is it ideal? No. Is it better than what's going on now? Hell yes.

Thing is, I don't think NK regime exists "for the people" - I think it's the other way around, and they don't really care what conditions the people live in as long as the elite's way of life is maintained.

Also, a strike on SK would be devastating - NK has enough traditional artillery that it would flatten Seoul, and probably do massive damage to Japan. Is JP a nuclear power? I bet they'd take NK off the face of the Earth in retaliation, and who knows what kind of can of worms that would open for Iran, Russia, China, Pakistan, India, and the US

WWIII, economic collapse, global currency, 2012 = world domination and it's all happening according to my design

I bet any money that if a full-on conflict actually broke out, more North Korean citizens will die at the hands of their government, from forced conscription or starvation, than ROK or US attacks. The loyalists will be fighting with obsolete equipment and little fuel. That DPRK MIG-21 that tried defecting a few months ago looked like a rusted out museum exhibit.

Personally, I there will have to be some kind of dissentegration of the DPRK before the ROK/US intervenes, these attacks and skirmishes occur too often to expect any major blowblack anytime soon. An invasion will be messy but resolved in a matter of days and occupied for some years as it re-integrates. There won't be any post Iraq invasion insurgency or anything.

  On 11/23/2010 at 8:20 PM, Joy Rex said:

  On 11/23/2010 at 12:47 PM, chenGOD said:

Well it looks like things have settled down for now...been talking with friends in Korea. Seems the general mood there is one of confusion, as in why the fuck is North Korea doing this now?

 

Kim's son is taking power, and has to show he's not soft.

 

  On 11/23/2010 at 2:20 PM, spratters said:

I suppose it could be due to the soon-to-be demise of old Kimmy. But then it's his son who's taking over the reigns. Who's to say whether he isn't also a bit of a power mad nutter. It'll be interesting to see if any change is made in relations between North and South once he snuffs it.

 

Probably not - Kim's son, while being schooled outside NK, probably is brainwashed enough by the power and position he'll attain that he thinks continuing the status quo is the best path forward (for now).

 

  On 11/23/2010 at 7:42 PM, chenGOD said:

Hexson - no need to move the family out yet. If North Korea was going all out they would launch their artillery pieces at Japan and South Korea. There would be about 3 days of ground fighting, with the north capitulating.

 

The North is not hiding their uranium, http://iis-db.stanford.edu/pubs/23035/Yongbyonreport.pdf read the report and take a look.

 

I wonder how much play this little snippet will get:

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE6AM05P20101123?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a49:g43:r3:c0.068257:b39760994:z0

 

probably none at all.

 

What i believe is that there are factions in the North, and the hawks are saying "look, Kim Jeong Eun is coming to power but that doesn't mean we're going soft or anything."

I wish the North Korean elite would take their cue from the Chinese - get richer through trade than you could ever hope to be through a policy of autarky, and improve the quality of life for more of your people. The majority of people won't question much as long as you show them actual gain. Is it ideal? No. Is it better than what's going on now? Hell yes.

 

Thing is, I don't think NK regime exists "for the people" - I think it's the other way around, and they don't really care what conditions the people live in as long as the elite's way of life is maintained.

 

Also, a strike on SK would be devastating - NK has enough traditional artillery that it would flatten Seoul, and probably do massive damage to Japan. Is JP a nuclear power? I bet they'd take NK off the face of the Earth in retaliation, and who knows what kind of can of worms that would open for Iran, Russia, China, Pakistan, India, and the US

Yeah, Kim's son is going to give up his claim for absolute power and divine lineage. That's totally going to happen, guys.