Warmth/Fuzz

I don't have any lush old analog gear so don't lecture me. I have some success making things nice and fuzzy and warm, but it tends to end up more like wire wool than a duck down duvet. I know that it is mainly down to composition and getting all the levels/reverb spot on but the thing I struggle to get is clean fuzz.

I'm going for something a bit like this basically.

Any pointers?

Judicious use of SoundToys plugs.

psp vintage warmer

record from tape? reel to reel or normal tape, i've heard recording to vhs tape is quite good too but you'll have to try that one out yourself cause i've never done it.

  On 1/20/2011 at 6:40 PM, yek said:

record from tape? reel to reel or normal tape, i've heard recording to vhs tape is quite good too but you'll have to try that one out yourself cause i've never done it.

I think the idea here is to give him budget suggestions.

dump mixes to chrome cassette

  On 1/20/2011 at 8:09 PM, acidphakist said:

  On 1/20/2011 at 6:40 PM, yek said:

record from tape? reel to reel or normal tape, i've heard recording to vhs tape is quite good too but you'll have to try that one out yourself cause i've never done it.

 

I think the idea here is to give him budget suggestions.

Not necessarily.

I was just watching a interview with Holden where he was talking about recording from an old Gorilla amp. I also have this old '78 player that I want to play sounds through, it has one of those nice amplification chambers (for want of a better description)

couldnt watch the video, (not available in my country) but I use WaveArts Tube Saturator for warming needs. It takes up a FUCK load of memory to use, so I usually add it towards the end of a process, or I'll bounce the audio with it.

wave arts

It's very CPU intense not memory intensive as I expected from the looks of it.

I'm definitely going to try it out, it looks like it could great for mastering indeed.

  On 1/20/2011 at 3:55 PM, Etch said:

I don't have any lush old analog gear so don't lecture me. I have some success making things nice and fuzzy and warm, but it tends to end up more like wire wool than a duck down duvet. I know that it is mainly down to composition and getting all the levels/reverb spot on but the thing I struggle to get is clean fuzz.

 

I'm going for something a bit like this basically.

 

 

Any pointers?

First of all, great signature.

I listened to this very good holden track you have here, and it's just hard for most people to get that kind of sound with software. You don't need ton's of gear, you just need some cables from radioshack. (they have those in the UK?)

just plug your sound into your tv, the older it is the better, or put it through the rca of your VCR. you need 1/8" to stereo rca (red white). then you can record it in the room with a mic and also output it. this has the potential to sound terrible, but in mixing this sound with a clean sound, compressing together, experimenting, you'll get good results.

That said, i get great results out of the Scream 4 from reason.

yeah, that's what I meant.

  On 1/21/2011 at 4:35 AM, sheatheman said:

  On 1/20/2011 at 3:55 PM, Etch said:

I don't have any lush old analog gear so don't lecture me. I have some success making things nice and fuzzy and warm, but it tends to end up more like wire wool than a duck down duvet. I know that it is mainly down to composition and getting all the levels/reverb spot on but the thing I struggle to get is clean fuzz.

 

I'm going for something a bit like this basically.

 

 

Any pointers?

 

First of all, great signature.

 

I listened to this very good holden track you have here, and it's just hard for most people to get that kind of sound with software. You don't need ton's of gear, you just need some cables from radioshack. (they have those in the UK?)

 

just plug your sound into your tv, the older it is the better, or put it through the rca of your VCR. you need 1/8" to stereo rca (red white). then you can record it in the room with a mic and also output it. this has the potential to sound terrible, but in mixing this sound with a clean sound, compressing together, experimenting, you'll get good results.

 

That said, i get great results out of the Scream 4 from reason.

that's fucking gen-i-ous. i'm totally going to try that!

It's very easy to make a mix sound pretty muddy, soggy wet, phased out when your combining a mic recorded vastly effected roomy sound with a dry mix so you might have to experiment with some anti phasing techniques to get the best outcome.

  On 1/20/2011 at 8:09 PM, acidphakist said:

  On 1/20/2011 at 6:40 PM, yek said:

record from tape? reel to reel or normal tape, i've heard recording to vhs tape is quite good too but you'll have to try that one out yourself cause i've never done it.

 

I think the idea here is to give him budget suggestions.

A hifi VHS player costs what? 5USD?

Hmmm, I downloaded this Triangle Folds track because the youtube was blocked in my country or whatever copyright bullshit. Anyway, I dunno but I think it's definitely possible the sounds on here could be done completely with software.

sheatheman's idea could possibly get you close to this but I think it sounds a bit more professional than if you recorded the VHS tape mix with a mic and mixed it in and compressed em together. I would try getting a direct recorded mix layer from any tape machine before recording the room.

  On 1/21/2011 at 11:09 AM, psn said:

  On 1/20/2011 at 8:09 PM, acidphakist said:

  On 1/20/2011 at 6:40 PM, yek said:

record from tape? reel to reel or normal tape, i've heard recording to vhs tape is quite good too but you'll have to try that one out yourself cause i've never done it.

 

I think the idea here is to give him budget suggestions.

 

A hifi VHS player costs what? 5USD?

I was actually addressing the reel to reel suggestions, but touche.

I don't know if you have multiple outputs on your soundcard but, if you do, you might consider getting a wonky old analog mixer from Tascam or whatever. Put your channels through that and see what sort of 'magic' you get.

  On 1/21/2011 at 1:11 PM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

Hmmm, I downloaded this Triangle Folds track because the youtube was blocked in my country or whatever copyright bullshit. Anyway, I dunno but I think it's definitely possible the sounds on here could be done completely with software.

 

sheatheman's idea could possibly get you close to this but I think it sounds a bit more professional than if you recorded the VHS tape mix with a mic and mixed it in and compressed em together. I would try getting a direct recorded mix layer from any tape machine before recording the room.

I meant to get a direct output signal in addition to a room recording.

Yeah I just am personally against the idea but that stubborn me. I wouldn't even mess around with putting a 3% of a room recorded ambience layer on an entire mix for a whole song (maybe a chill intro though). I have done too much experimentation with that kind of stuff and it never seems worth it. No if I had really really expensive condensers and a better knowledge of acoustics and phasing etc that would be a different story.

  On 1/21/2011 at 3:19 PM, acidphakist said:

I don't know if you have multiple outputs on your soundcard but, if you do, you might consider getting a wonky old analog mixer from Tascam or whatever. Put your channels through that and see what sort of 'magic' you get.

this. also, replacing software effects with cheap guitar pedal versions works wonders. running a synth sound through a $10 noname phaser and behringer reverbs/delays really gives a nice unique warm, gritty sound:

  On 1/22/2011 at 12:54 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

Yeah I just am personally against the idea but that stubborn me. I wouldn't even mess around with putting a 3% of a room recorded ambience layer on an entire mix for a whole song (maybe a chill intro though). I have done too much experimentation with that kind of stuff and it never seems worth it. No if I had really really expensive condensers and a better knowledge of acoustics and phasing etc that would be a different story.

i've done it before, with decent results. here's a track that i did it with:

it's got a couple of generations of room recording mixed in with the original audio. i didn't end up using it in the final version of my ep, but it sounded ok! if you listen carefully you can hear voices in the quiet part, there was a small party in my backyard at the time, heh.

  On 1/21/2011 at 4:35 AM, sheatheman said:

  On 1/20/2011 at 3:55 PM, Etch said:

I don't have any lush old analog gear so don't lecture me. I have some success making things nice and fuzzy and warm, but it tends to end up more like wire wool than a duck down duvet. I know that it is mainly down to composition and getting all the levels/reverb spot on but the thing I struggle to get is clean fuzz.

 

I'm going for something a bit like this basically.

 

 

Any pointers?

 

First of all, great signature.

 

I listened to this very good holden track you have here, and it's just hard for most people to get that kind of sound with software. You don't need ton's of gear, you just need some cables from radioshack. (they have those in the UK?)

 

just plug your sound into your tv, the older it is the better, or put it through the rca of your VCR. you need 1/8" to stereo rca (red white). then you can record it in the room with a mic and also output it. this has the potential to sound terrible, but in mixing this sound with a clean sound, compressing together, experimenting, you'll get good results.

 

That said, i get great results out of the Scream 4 from reason.

Thanks for this. Going to definitely give this a go. I have a friend with some pretty serious mic's that I am going to borrow.

  On 1/22/2011 at 3:33 AM, modey said:

  On 1/21/2011 at 3:19 PM, acidphakist said:

I don't know if you have multiple outputs on your soundcard but, if you do, you might consider getting a wonky old analog mixer from Tascam or whatever. Put your channels through that and see what sort of 'magic' you get.

this. also, replacing software effects with cheap guitar pedal versions works wonders. running a synth sound through a $10 noname phaser and behringer reverbs/delays really gives a nice unique warm, gritty sound:

http://rooftopaccess.net/audio/2010-11-20b.mp3

 

 

  On 1/22/2011 at 12:54 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

Yeah I just am personally against the idea but that stubborn me. I wouldn't even mess around with putting a 3% of a room recorded ambience layer on an entire mix for a whole song (maybe a chill intro though). I have done too much experimentation with that kind of stuff and it never seems worth it. No if I had really really expensive condensers and a better knowledge of acoustics and phasing etc that would be a different story.

i've done it before, with decent results. here's a track that i did it with:

http://rooftopaccess.net/audio/01min.mp3

it's got a couple of generations of room recording mixed in with the original audio. i didn't end up using it in the final version of my ep, but it sounded ok! if you listen carefully you can hear voices in the quiet part, there was a small party in my backyard at the time, heh.

Lovely. Seriosuly.

  On 1/22/2011 at 3:33 AM, modey said:

  On 1/21/2011 at 3:19 PM, acidphakist said:

I don't know if you have multiple outputs on your soundcard but, if you do, you might consider getting a wonky old analog mixer from Tascam or whatever. Put your channels through that and see what sort of 'magic' you get.

this. also, replacing software effects with cheap guitar pedal versions works wonders. running a synth sound through a $10 noname phaser and behringer reverbs/delays really gives a nice unique warm, gritty sound:

http://rooftopaccess.net/audio/2010-11-20b.mp3

 

 

  On 1/22/2011 at 12:54 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

Yeah I just am personally against the idea but that stubborn me. I wouldn't even mess around with putting a 3% of a room recorded ambience layer on an entire mix for a whole song (maybe a chill intro though). I have done too much experimentation with that kind of stuff and it never seems worth it. No if I had really really expensive condensers and a better knowledge of acoustics and phasing etc that would be a different story.

i've done it before, with decent results. here's a track that i did it with:

http://rooftopaccess.net/audio/01min.mp3

it's got a couple of generations of room recording mixed in with the original audio. i didn't end up using it in the final version of my ep, but it sounded ok! if you listen carefully you can hear voices in the quiet part, there was a small party in my backyard at the time, heh.

! This is beautiful. Your music is so compatible with some of the stuff that's in my head right now. Where can I get your ep?

  On 1/24/2011 at 5:05 PM, sheatheman said:

  On 1/22/2011 at 3:33 AM, modey said:

  On 1/21/2011 at 3:19 PM, acidphakist said:

I don't know if you have multiple outputs on your soundcard but, if you do, you might consider getting a wonky old analog mixer from Tascam or whatever. Put your channels through that and see what sort of 'magic' you get.

this. also, replacing software effects with cheap guitar pedal versions works wonders. running a synth sound through a $10 noname phaser and behringer reverbs/delays really gives a nice unique warm, gritty sound:

http://rooftopaccess.net/audio/2010-11-20b.mp3

 

 

  On 1/22/2011 at 12:54 AM, Blanket Fort Collapse said:

Yeah I just am personally against the idea but that stubborn me. I wouldn't even mess around with putting a 3% of a room recorded ambience layer on an entire mix for a whole song (maybe a chill intro though). I have done too much experimentation with that kind of stuff and it never seems worth it. No if I had really really expensive condensers and a better knowledge of acoustics and phasing etc that would be a different story.

i've done it before, with decent results. here's a track that i did it with:

http://rooftopaccess.net/audio/01min.mp3

it's got a couple of generations of room recording mixed in with the original audio. i didn't end up using it in the final version of my ep, but it sounded ok! if you listen carefully you can hear voices in the quiet part, there was a small party in my backyard at the time, heh.

 

! This is beautiful. Your music is so compatible with some of the stuff that's in my head right now. Where can I get your ep?

Nvm found it.

hehe thanks for appreciating!

  On 1/20/2011 at 3:55 PM, Etch said:

the thing I struggle to get is clean fuzz.

That's an oxymoron mate.

On a more construcive note, depending on what gear you already have, it might even work out cheaper than a nice plugin or two, I'd suggest the following chain:

1) the sound you want to fuzz/warm up out of your interface

2) into a fender champion 600 tube amp

3) shure sm57 mic close to the grill

4) back into mixer's mic pre

5) back into interface for capture

if you really wanna match impedances and levels, then you can stick a reamp between the interface and the input of the guitar amp (that'S how i do it), but it'll add to the cost.

i've had fantastic results with the above chaon, and there are a million variations you can get with gain staging and mic positioning and room sounds etc.

you know what, just record it with your phone. mix that. best possible option