Describe why you hate acid

It's obvious that acid music is passe. As someone that only knows how to make acid I'd like to hear from you, its detractors, about what you dislike about it.

not enough funk

It suffers from the same problems of any other style of music with a very specific genre criteria...there's only so much you can do within the narrowly defined borders of what constitutes acid before it all starts to sound very samey and bland.

Plus, acid peaked with the real Mosca's "Acid Hooligan" ep, and everyone should have just stopped after that.

my pet hate iz the tired old vintage roland drum sounds which have been recycled a bit too much and aren't very creative even in a retro cool way anymore (exception to Ceephax who has the licence to kill in this department and has rightly earned it)

you can still use the 303 acid sound in a distinguished way but at leat do something different with the drums like shove them through a bitcrusher or filter or something i mean analord is almost half a decade old now get over it!

Acid: Everytime the same shit with different smell.

This can also be applied to every musical genre.

Yeah, what autopilot and soundwave said.

I do actually like acid, but it's not a genre I feel the need to own a huge amount of releases from. There aren't many genres that are as narrowly defined as acid, because of its reliance on one very particular sound (namely the 303).

you have a persecution complex!

acid is what it is, as are all other genres. quit harping on about it? it's so navelgazy. enjoy music.

I love acid, but I have to take breaks from listening to it, and the same goes for DnB. Also, I can attest to always enjoying the sound of 303 showing up on a track unexpectedly.

acid seems to be predominately a roland fanboy genre, where it's literally encouraged to use 3-4 specific items by one brand of synthesizer manufacturer. Im not really a big roland guy, except for the 808 bassdrum. Id actually probably like acid a lot more if the producers of it changed around their sound palette a little and went outside of the roland box more. And people have tried to make the false comparison that acid is just like rock music because 'every band uses a guitar'. well not everybody in rock music uses a guitar put through the exact same amp and recorded at the same distance, you can make a guitar sound drastically different depending on what you do to it. a 303 on the other hand always is almost used the same way,

Drukqs is probably the last album i can think of that actually used the 303 or 'acid sound' in a really compelling way. A lot of people i hear making acid are really talented, i just think some of them need to get out of their comfort zone more and use a different sound palette, it's not even the composition thats an issue most of the time.

Love it.

when the analords came out, i'd never really looked into acid. his previous releases hadn't made a big deal of it. i fell quite hard for the analords around 2005 -- my music that year was essentially analords + massive attack's "100th Window"

i have all the new 2010 analord releases (the b-sides or whatever), but i don't really know them. i only listened to them once. can't remember what they sound like. when i ask myself why, the answer is that "i'm kind of bored of that stuff..." i hear it every day around this place. i got a bunch of ceephax records now; hadn't heard of him in 2005.

on another angle -- the machines are alternatingly obscure and expensive, and acid popularity has made 303s/808s ridiculous. only a certain percentage of musicians will have the cash.... and of this sliver than can afford a "proper" acid setup, most of them won't be particularly memorable, as people have been pounding this patch of pavement for decades at this point.

i feel it's better to break new ground, especially with the hardware. 303s and 808s are lovely, but it baffles me how people shun mixing in more modern stuff like the MPC. no, it has to be a table of ridiculously expensive and trendy rolands.... the technical spirit of acid -- just mad science plugging CV/Gate where it's not supposed to go, etc. -- is alive and well in many pieces of digital gear. more importantly, though, it decimates a lot of the limits you impose on yourself with "classic" acid...

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yeah. i don't hate acid. i should have said that explicitly.

mixing in more stuff like the MPC? the MPC is just a fancy sampler really, so do you just mean 'add extra sounds'? most people who make acid these days probably do it on a computer! does the hardware thing really matter to people still? very few people seem able to even tell the difference in these communities, although they like to pretend like they do.

what is 'acid' anyway these days? just another tagline/selling point to people who like that kind of stuff. kind of like 'burial'.

edit: i'm also sure i've heard better 'acid' made in fruityloops/ableton than most hardware stuff i hear churned out these days.

  On 3/31/2011 at 9:03 PM, noise said:

mixing in more stuff like the MPC? the MPC is just a fancy sampler really

clearly you've never given it more than a casual try, if even that.

edit: check out this pic from the MPC Wikipedia page.

it has great midi facilities... add in some bits of gear that can do both midi and cv/gate... etc.

  On 3/31/2011 at 9:07 PM, hahathhat said:

  On 3/31/2011 at 9:03 PM, noise said:

mixing in more stuff like the MPC? the MPC is just a fancy sampler really

 

clearly you've never given it more than a casual try, if even that.

i've owned an mpc1000 and used it. how is it more than a relatively simple DAW in a box? i realie i was being reductionist about its feature set, but "mixing in" an MPC isn't very specific. you might as well just "mix in" your computer's audio outputs.

  On 3/31/2011 at 9:10 PM, noise said:

  On 3/31/2011 at 9:07 PM, hahathhat said:

  On 3/31/2011 at 9:03 PM, noise said:

mixing in more stuff like the MPC? the MPC is just a fancy sampler really

 

clearly you've never given it more than a casual try, if even that.

i've owned an mpc1000 and used it. how is it more than a relatively simple DAW in a box? i realie i was being reductionist about its feature set, but "mixing in" an MPC isn't very specific. you might as well just "mix in" your computer's audio outputs.

the mpc is a proper instrument, just like the SH-101 is more than a monosynth. i don't view it as a DAW replacement. i can't record tracks to it.... i use cubase for that.

edit: i never used the older ones. i'm talking about MPC1000, with JJOS etc.

yeah, i had that one too... i would have kept it if i had room, it's real nice (and the timestretch is properly awesome). cash is nice too, though. anyway, i'll step out of this amazing, constructive thread.

  On 3/31/2011 at 9:10 PM, noise said:

i've owned an mpc1000 and used it. how is it more than a relatively simple DAW in a box? i realie i was being reductionist about its feature set, but "mixing in" an MPC isn't very specific. you might as well just "mix in" your computer's audio outputs.

when it comes to mixing the track, it's all about faders, aux sends, some filter acrobatics... so the sound sources could come from anywhere at that stage, sure. but that's just the final part of it. the real meat of a track is in the programming, and the MPC is incredible there -- sculpting sounds/loops/melodies. i suppose it's a good replacement for the Atari ST+S1000 combo, which i have never used (and don't want to, what is this 1992? which is my point, really... some of the new stuff is dope. don't confine yourself to what derrick may and mike dred use).

I hate acid because watmm.

Acid loves you. And you.

I think, as with all genres, you cannot beat it to death. There are still people listening to whatever, despite that whatever was claimed to be dead years ago. Insert Rock, Dub, Grunge, whatever you want.

Also, it´s evolving, too. Sure most of the material used is nostalgic, but it has evoluted into something new lately, Jodey Kendrick for example, in my ears he sounds new at the same time sounding old. Difficult to explain. Listening is easier.

Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if every track name didn't have Acid in it, so 90's.

The only thing worse is "melodic acid", just awful.

i don't follow. you like un-melodic acid?

It's a term.

  On 3/31/2011 at 7:39 PM, autopilot said:

It suffers from the same problems of any other style of music with a very specific genre criteria...there's only so much you can do within the narrowly defined borders of what constitutes acid before it all starts to sound very samey and bland.

This. I don't hate acid, but I've got to be able to differentiate whatever I'm hearing from another artist in the same field to be interested in it, whatever it is. If the type of genre is all that springs to mind when I hear a new artist, I just couldn't care less about whatever music it is. I like all the component parts of acid.