Windowlicker

sounds pretty interesting, just sayin....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF6nVVA3xj8

Windowlicker is such a dj friendly tune, just sayin shit is HOT lots of hot parts to juggle, even just playing at 45 and switching to 33 at 4:20 (in this vid ) , switch back or whatever, stop it at 4:52, drop it back in... love the way the kicks and snares sound with the samples behind them if you cut them out... shit make me wanna fuck... 6:55 onward im almost feelin it more slowed... aphexxxxxxxxx

Cool. I remember doing this back when I first got the vinyl version... sounds just as good and almost is a different song in a lot of respects.

Sounds like it could be an early BOC masterpiece.

makes me feel all sleepy

big fan of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6S8JGaAJUE

and thx for that windowlicker vid, it sound really nice. the voices! haha brilliant

most tasteful drum programming, fuck it's nice beautiful.

hey, can you peeps explain what exactly happens when you play a 44 at 33? Is it simply a pitch-correlated slowdown to 65% like with tape or with software or is it behaves a bit differently or what?

  On 4/15/2011 at 9:08 AM, Lube Saibot said:

hey, can you peeps explain what exactly happens when you play a 44 at 33? Is it simply a pitch-correlated slowdown to 65% like with tape or with software or is it behaves a bit differently or what?

Most of your numbers are wrong. But yeah, slowing down an analogue medium lowers the pitch.

  On 4/15/2011 at 9:13 AM, psn said:

  On 4/15/2011 at 9:08 AM, Lube Saibot said:

hey, can you peeps explain what exactly happens when you play a 44 at 33? Is it simply a pitch-correlated slowdown to 65% like with tape or with software or is it behaves a bit differently or what?

 

Most of your numbers are wrong. But yeah, slowing down an analogue medium lowers the pitch.

larger wavelength*lower frequency

Following velocity=(frequency)(wavelength) where velocity needs to stay the same since that's how sound (among other things) acts in air that hasn't magically changed its properties.

The difference between software-slowdown is the continuity of the signal (analogue) which actually is better, qualitywise. Software slowdowns have aliasing due to samplingrate which is tried to be compensated through algorhythms. A simple difference that causes a great effect. BTW, with Tapes it is the same, slow down the motor speed, the sound will get slower and the frequency of it gets lower. Continously and not discrete.

Imagine a Stair in Software and a ramp in analogue. A Ramp will get you unlimited values of height, while a stair gives you only that many height values the stair has steps.

  On 4/15/2011 at 10:58 AM, tonfarben said:

The difference between software-slowdown is the continuity of the signal (analogue) which actually is better, qualitywise. Software slowdowns have aliasing due to samplingrate which is tried to be compensated through algorhythms. A simple difference that causes a great effect. BTW, with Tapes it is the same, slow down the motor speed, the sound will get slower and the frequency of it gets lower. Continously and not discrete.

Imagine a Stair in Software and a ramp in analogue. A Ramp will get you unlimited values of height, while a stair gives you only that many height values the stair has steps.

Your analogy reminds me a lot of doing the introductory stuff they made me do prior to learning how to actually do integrals, I guess it'd be more proper to say it reminds me of Riemann Sums. After all, you're working with a vast amount of squares instead of one circle.

  On 4/15/2011 at 10:58 AM, tonfarben said:

The difference between software-slowdown is the continuity of the signal (analogue) which actually is better, qualitywise. Software slowdowns have aliasing due to samplingrate which is tried to be compensated through algorhythms. A simple difference that causes a great effect. BTW, with Tapes it is the same, slow down the motor speed, the sound will get slower and the frequency of it gets lower. Continously and not discrete.

Imagine a Stair in Software and a ramp in analogue. A Ramp will get you unlimited values of height, while a stair gives you only that many height values the stair has steps.

how will it alias if u are just slowing stuff down ?

software can do interpolation so it has a ramp too

http://reckon.posterous.com/vinyl-record-grooves-under-electron-microscop

i wonder what they were pressed from

It's also very enjoyable backwards.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK8dWW4VDDo

wasn't asking if slowing down lowers pitch... (duh). as i don't own a turntable, nor anything on vinyl, nor does anybody i know own either, i don't have any hands on experience. as such, i was asking if slowing down via turntable rpm BEHAVES the same way as it does with tape or in digital media. and if not, how so?

(and the reason I'm asking is because a lot is made online about "playing 45s at 33", as opposed to simply saying "here's track x slowed down").

yeh it does but it depends how slow u go & how finickity about it u are, i think

eg, slowing a record RIGHT down with your hand to stop it has at the end a different sound to putting a \ or similar shaped mod env

on a sample's playback rate. to me anyway.

  On 4/15/2011 at 3:49 AM, thief said:

big fan of this

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6S8JGaAJUE

 

and thx for that windowlicker vid, it sound really nice. the voices! haha brilliant

at LED festival last year he played Vorhosbn slow like this (maybe not this slow) it was amazing!

  On 4/15/2011 at 10:58 AM, tonfarben said:

The difference between software-slowdown is the continuity of the signal (analogue) which actually is better, qualitywise. Software slowdowns have aliasing due to samplingrate which is tried to be compensated through algorhythms. A simple difference that causes a great effect. BTW, with Tapes it is the same, slow down the motor speed, the sound will get slower and the frequency of it gets lower. Continously and not discrete.

Imagine a Stair in Software and a ramp in analogue. A Ramp will get you unlimited values of height, while a stair gives you only that many height values the stair has steps.

except you will rarely hear the effects of the stairs in modern software because they fit spline curves along the sample data before resampling.

what software fits actual spline curves ( excluding cubic or linear ) ??

no challenging ur domiNANCE bro just wondering

I like Arched Maid Via RDJ much better at 33 than at 45. The groans sound much more satisfying.

Ye, good music sounds good at most tempos.

  On 4/15/2011 at 2:19 PM, Lube Saibot said:

wasn't asking if slowing down lowers pitch... (duh). as i don't own a turntable, nor anything on vinyl, nor does anybody i know own either, i don't have any hands on experience. as such, i was asking if slowing down via turntable rpm BEHAVES the same way as it does with tape or in digital media. and if not, how so?

If you slow down digital media, the frequency response will also be lowered down the spectrum. If you play a 45 RPM vinyl at 33 RPM, the standard frequency response of that system (the stylus/cartridge + amp, etc. whatever) will be retained. To me slowing down/speeding up vinyl just sounds more "natural" than doing the same to digital sound. I know how immensely wanky that sounds but what you gonna do.

  On 4/17/2011 at 10:20 AM, futureimage said:

  On 4/15/2011 at 2:19 PM, Lube Saibot said:

wasn't asking if slowing down lowers pitch... (duh). as i don't own a turntable, nor anything on vinyl, nor does anybody i know own either, i don't have any hands on experience. as such, i was asking if slowing down via turntable rpm BEHAVES the same way as it does with tape or in digital media. and if not, how so?

If you slow down digital media, the frequency response will also be lowered down the spectrum. If you play a 45 RPM vinyl at 33 RPM, the standard frequency response of that system (the stylus/cartridge + amp, etc. whatever) will be retained. To me slowing down/speeding up vinyl just sounds more "natural" than doing the same to digital sound. I know how immensely wanky that sounds but what you gonna do.

So kinda like timestretching without the graininess? I could tell as much, that's how those clips kinda sounded to my ears -> the reason why i asked. Cool beans, thanks!

  On 4/17/2011 at 3:32 PM, Lube Saibot said:

 

So kinda like timestretching without the graininess? I could tell as much, that's how those clips kinda sounded to my ears -> the reason why i asked. Cool beans, thanks!

Well not really, the pitch of the audio is still changed as WELL as the tempo being slowed down, it's just the frequency response of the system itself isn't changed.

It's like pitching vocals up and down digitally - without any fancy processing, you'll also change the formant of the recorded voice (hence why when you pitch vocals up they often sound squeaky rather than just naturally high). Some software now implements formant correction so when you repitch vocals, they sound a lot more natural as if it was just sung at that new pitch.

  On 4/16/2011 at 12:51 AM, sickboy said:

what software fits actual spline curves ( excluding cubic or linear ) ??

no challenging ur domiNANCE bro just wondering

No idea, I don't know specifics. I do know that most modern resample algo's do something spline-alike at least the gets rid of aliasing. Obviously there are other negative effects.

I suppose any type of upsampling is going to use a low pass for this effect. I swear I've seen spline in some samplers though.