want to know what you guys think of these two tracks

or just rate them

from 1-10 or something

i'm having a shitload of trouble trying to figure out if they are 'good' or 'bad' and it's driving me nuts

both have been sitting on the computer for a while now. i recall really loving them after and while i was making them but being confused / too lazy to return to them.

so if you have time or care to, an honest opinion would really help right now!

thanks guys.

http://soundcloud.com/dodeiale/cu-bee

http://soundcloud.com/dodeiale/ghast4-unu-from-upcoming-album

numeral rating for music is retarded, but if it helps...

second one one could be anything from a solid 7 to full-on 10 depending on what you do with it... as it's obviously not finished, some sloppy shit happens with the sidechain in the second half, quite repetitive etc, production is less than flattering, sounds more like a rough sketch of a track than a track. if you put the work in it could turn out as a gorgeous LA-beats-esque thing.

first one is a 0. it would be a 2 if i were mashed, probably, but I'm not atm. (then again there's like 46 tracks in that one, sounds more like plunderphonics than music, different crowd i guess)

none of them spoke to me.

It seems you have become more structured in your compositions. Last time I heard you(probably over a year ago) it sounded like random samples shitting all over each other. This sounds pretty cool, especially the second track. But I'm listening on shitty laptop speakers and can't appreciate the finer aspects of the bass frequencies, so i won't comment further.

appreciate all comments here. i'm having a lot of trouble getting myself to do anything with these.

instead of doing the 'work' i just listen to them over and over kind of absent mindedly trying to decide what to do... then moving onto other stuff.

with the first track, for instance:

last night I set out to try and fix it up, I knew there were some certain things I needed to do.

1. in the beginning 2 sections there are some rather irritating repetitions that tend to stick out like a sore thumb. so i tried to cut down on those [the cowbell and that weird whistle]

after I'd done that I really was mostly confused so I just turned down a lot of the loud noises throughout the whole thing and tried to bring out the 'beat.'

I keep getting to this really bad point where I don't know what else to do but the track still feels empty/incomplete. perhaps just elaborating on the rhythms and seeing what happens is the solution for the first one. then i think maybe... add vocals. but that doesn't seem to be the right path. so then i start wondering what is the point of the music...

but anyway. thanks for listening

i honestly think you'd learn a lot about how to shape your songs if you made a few tracks without any sampling other than, perhaps, drums. i think you get really caught up in sample fuckery and, as a result, your music loses shape and devolves into messy pools of sounds that don't really help each other. the second track starts out pretty nice (while being clearly influenced by flying lotus), but then loses all sense of form. i gave it one full listen, but on the second i had to stop about half way through. i think making a few tracks with flat sounds and no samples would really make you focus on composition.

^I agree with that. It's a good exercise to do an occasional track with just one basic sounding poly synth (or a guitar or something if you swing that way). No drums or noises. Just try to make a tune strong enough to carry itself.

Anyway: first track has a similar feel to a lot of your stuff I've heard - nothing bad sounding, but you jump to new ideas so often that it doesn't have much in the way of a cohesive feel. Second track held together better, I thought, because everything felt like it was contributing to one specific atmosphere.

  On 4/25/2011 at 9:19 PM, vamos scorcho said:

I keep getting to this really bad point where I don't know what else to do but the track still feels empty/incomplete. perhaps just elaborating on the rhythms and seeing what happens is the solution for the first one. then i think maybe... add vocals. but that doesn't seem to be the right path. so then i start wondering what is the point of the music...

Dude, I can totally fucking relate. I get attached to a certain aspect of the sound and have my ears have "learned" to listen to it and enjoy it in it's current, raw form. It makes me hesitant to make changes, I will sometime sit on a track for a year until I realize how bullshit it is and just spend an hour restructuring and replacing different aspects of it and end up liking it way more. I'll still feel that, emptiness you describe, even while still enjoying the current aspects of it, only once I sit down and force myself to make changes to it do I finally realize what was off about it in the first place.

i think they both need to be mastered louder

fuck off tht

  On 4/28/2011 at 8:46 PM, Lube Saibot said:

fuck off tht

calm down troll