boyd rice/non

ive recently become very interested in the noise/pop work of boyd rice and wondered if anyone has any opinions of his work. i know some stuff has popped up in threads before condemning him, unjustly or not, as a neo nazi, but i'd be interested in hearing opinions either for or against him... i certainly have criticisms of the man and his work, but something keeps drawing me back... there tends to be a very meticulous attention to sonic detail..

haters are most welcome.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHuN5ChAlSE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyYynOSyMCU&playnext=1&list=PL595A06C70AE9FC31

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TN6GwyVFvY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlkzf3EwXgA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avZoJh-Mtxk

im going to leave the tom metzger interview out for now

One of my bandmates is very into the neofolk/etc scene. To the point where he managed to get Boyd Rice to provide vocals for a track we're working on. He recited a cocktail recipe, pretty awesome.

I'm not too much into that whole style, though it's intriguing. The military stuff is a bit over the top though.

  On 8/26/2011 at 6:51 AM, modey said:

The military stuff is a bit over the top though.

overall, i pretty much tend to agree..

thats kind of cool tho

a weird bit of trivia - he was the first artist to put out an album on mute and is still signed to them.

I've heard some of his stuff on Mute - quite like all the tape/vinyl loop/cut-up stuff when I'm in the mood. Check out the album he did with Frank Tovey, that's really cool.

from sleazy's invisible jukebox session with the wire magazine (http://thewire.co.uk/articles/2859/)

  Quote

NON “RISE” 12” (MUTE) 1982

 

I’m afraid I have no clue what it is.

 

The track is “Rise” and it’s by Non aka Boyd Rice.

 

Boyd was kind of a pal of Jhonn and we collaborated quite early on with Coil [as Sickness Of Snakes] on an album called Nightmare Culture. And then Boyd became, as I understand it, more forthright in his right wing ideas in the press, and so consequently we rather drifted apart. Jhonn and I and Boyd met up a few times in the early part of the century. I think he’s interesting in the sense of being a maverick and actually not caring too much what people think, but with most people who make a public statement of their fascist views, it seems to me silly and unnecessary and distasteful.

 

You have said that you like to tell it like it is, but you also push boundaries.

 

I’m afraid truth often takes you outside boundaries, and that can causeembarrassment, which as we all know is more painful for us Englishmen than the worst torture. A long time after Coil and Boyd worked together, we fell out because of Boyd’s increasingly racist public image. It wasn’t because of political or social correctness. For us it was just common sense. Anyone who singles out a particular portion of any population for criticism just because they fit into a certain category, whether it be gay or black or Jewish or even female, to us was, and is, simply moronic. Clearly all humanity is filled with good people and bad people, and it’s got absolutely nothing to do with what colour shirt, or skin you’ve got on Đ or even your aftershave. Back in 1982 or 83, Jhonn, Marc Almond and I were barred from a heavy gay New York fetish club late one night, because of the brand of aftershave one of us had used, which was a real drag because a group of horny Puerto Ricans had just gone in... [laughs]. That’s not racist is it? Those guys were hot! All too often you can judge a book by its cover, but as for people, no chance.

 

There are a lot of those Death In June derivative, new fascist kind of bands, who just think if they bang a bass drum and intone some kind of rhetoric and play some horns and stuff... it’s just so boring. My politics now are more or less completely the opposite of that, so I wouldn’t be interested anyway, but musically there seem to be a lot of people now who think there is something clever about putting on a little moustache and wearing a grey mac.

*tries to find a private funny hardcore porno shoot with Boyd Rice and some chick that somebody posted to alt.noise years back without his permission*

  On 8/29/2011 at 8:25 PM, kaini said:

from sleazy's invisible jukebox session with the wire magazine (http://thewire.co.uk/articles/2859/)

 

  Quote

NON “RISE” 12” (MUTE) 1982

 

I’m afraid I have no clue what it is.

 

The track is “Rise” and it’s by Non aka Boyd Rice.

 

Boyd was kind of a pal of Jhonn and we collaborated quite early on with Coil [as Sickness Of Snakes] on an album called Nightmare Culture. And then Boyd became, as I understand it, more forthright in his right wing ideas in the press, and so consequently we rather drifted apart. Jhonn and I and Boyd met up a few times in the early part of the century. I think he’s interesting in the sense of being a maverick and actually not caring too much what people think, but with most people who make a public statement of their fascist views, it seems to me silly and unnecessary and distasteful.

 

You have said that you like to tell it like it is, but you also push boundaries.

 

I’m afraid truth often takes you outside boundaries, and that can causeembarrassment, which as we all know is more painful for us Englishmen than the worst torture. A long time after Coil and Boyd worked together, we fell out because of Boyd’s increasingly racist public image. It wasn’t because of political or social correctness. For us it was just common sense. Anyone who singles out a particular portion of any population for criticism just because they fit into a certain category, whether it be gay or black or Jewish or even female, to us was, and is, simply moronic. Clearly all humanity is filled with good people and bad people, and it’s got absolutely nothing to do with what colour shirt, or skin you’ve got on Đ or even your aftershave. Back in 1982 or 83, Jhonn, Marc Almond and I were barred from a heavy gay New York fetish club late one night, because of the brand of aftershave one of us had used, which was a real drag because a group of horny Puerto Ricans had just gone in... [laughs]. That’s not racist is it? Those guys were hot! All too often you can judge a book by its cover, but as for people, no chance.

 

There are a lot of those Death In June derivative, new fascist kind of bands, who just think if they bang a bass drum and intone some kind of rhetoric and play some horns and stuff... it’s just so boring. My politics now are more or less completely the opposite of that, so I wouldn’t be interested anyway, but musically there seem to be a lot of people now who think there is something clever about putting on a little moustache and wearing a grey mac.

that's great that SLeazy would unload like this, but it makes me wonder if they think Death in June is so boring then why are they so into Current 93? The bands have practically the same 'death-folk' cheeisness to them which surely rubbed off on Coil's work more in the beginning, the influence wore off in the middle period and came back full force towards the late 90s and 2000s.

I wish Boyd's music was compelling enough to 'hate' or to 'love' it's always seemed kind of uninteresting to me compared to most of his contemporaries. I heard one album of his that could be classified as noise that had a lot of loops in it that i liked, but his more gothic droney stuff is boring to me

is his music interesting/captivating/enjoyable enough to override his associations with fascism and neo nazis? for me the answer is ultimately no. It's kind of like Vincent Gallo, the guy's personality is such a turnoff and he makes blantantly racist statements to get attention in the press, and what it comes down to are his movies good and does he make good music, and clearly he does not so you have to think of things all like a balance.

yeah david tibet's nursery-rhymey bullshit annoys me as well. i suppose it's because they were familiar with each other from the start of tibet's career? that whole axis of coil - stephen stapleton - david tibet... a very incestuous sort of scene

L-R: Jhonn Balance, Peter Christopherson, David Tibet, Paula P-Orridge, Caresse P-Orridge (photo by Genesis P-Orridge)

jhonn is looking pretty nazi-ish himself there...

  On 8/26/2011 at 6:51 AM, modey said:

One of my bandmates is very into the neofolk/etc scene. To the point where he managed to get Boyd Rice to provide vocals for a track we're working on. He recited a cocktail recipe, pretty awesome.

also, this is probably rice is a complete tiki culture (http://en.wikipedia....ki/Tiki_culture) obsessive, or so i've read.

ugh, no desire to see pseudonazi cock, thanks

30 seconds of each of the locked grooves on pagan muzak:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feu0xPFkIvY

thats pretty cool, im trying very hard to find the NON CD that i liked back in high school and i cannot find it (even on discogs) for the life of me. It had a kind of generic gothic capital letter font with predominately red/black on the cover and i remember any images on it being monochromatic. Very red thougj, haha any ideas?

awesome, some great responses, it thought this thread was dead. that sleazy invisible jukebox interview was interesting.. i believe balance stayed friends with rice throughout the remainder of his life. i read an interview with rice from the early 2000s in which he mentionions balance wanted to buy a house in barcelona where they could all live communally..

lol no desire to see a boyd rice harcore porno. the scenes in 'pearls before swine' were enough.

im tempted to upload scenes from that doc 'iconoclast.' i give it a week max before youtube pulls them, but there are some very funny/interesting moments.. rice has, more than anything (politics included) a sense of humor.

politics aside, i still think you guys are underrating some of the guys output. its more interesting than the noise/dark ambient/neofolfk labels suggest.

for instance, this is just a great pop tune-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SB4B0__AiJw

im listening to 'blood and flame' right now, and the track 'a taste of blood' could almost be on a boards of canada album.

and i find track like this to be completely hypnotic-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEErsyxMzEw

heres the trailer for that doc in case anyones interested-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaQ-T5CZcZc

  On 8/30/2011 at 12:04 AM, Awepittance said:

thats pretty cool, im trying very hard to find the NON CD that i liked back in high school and i cannot find it (even on discogs) for the life of me. It had a kind of generic gothic capital letter font with predominately red/black on the cover and i remember any images on it being monochromatic. Very red thougj, haha any ideas?

was it this?

  On 8/29/2011 at 1:59 PM, futureimage said:

Check out the album he did with Frank Tovey, that's really cool.

i recently saw a documentary on tovey and there was a segment on it, as well as an interview with rice. what i heard sounded intriguing..

i hadnt heard of frank tovey before this. really just a fascinating performer. incredible energy

  On 8/29/2011 at 9:31 PM, kaini said:

  On 8/26/2011 at 6:51 AM, modey said:

One of my bandmates is very into the neofolk/etc scene. To the point where he managed to get Boyd Rice to provide vocals for a track we're working on. He recited a cocktail recipe, pretty awesome.

 

also, this is probably rice is a complete tiki culture (http://en.wikipedia....ki/Tiki_culture) obsessive, or so i've read.

Yep, it's a great track/vocal too. I'll share it when the album's done. Apparently we also have Douglas P's praise too. I personally don't care for that scene (I find the military/nazi stuff a little embarrassing - I'm using a pseudonym in this project) but my bandmate gets a kick out of it and is apparently good friends with John Murphy (also has a permanent loan of his AKS!), who has worked with Boyd and Douglas. So I guess that's how we got that connection, as well as the tiki thing.

with boyd rice is guess it goes tiki (60s obscura,) noise, drone, and pseudo fascism. from the recent news page on boyd rice.com -

  Quote

The below photo is of Boyd Rice with his creation "The Blue Hawaiian," a two-foot blue Jello tiki which recnetly won first place at The Denver County Fair's Jello Molding Contest. The tiki is made of Blue Curacao, pineapple, shredded coconut and blue Jello, with lemon slices for the eyes. In receiving the first prize award, Rice commented, "Tonight stands out as among one of the proudest of my life."

  On 8/30/2011 at 1:17 AM, Z_B_Z said:

 

yes that's it thanks!

from the looks of that jello mode pic, Boyd has gone full out Hunster S Thompson

lol i want that mrs miller record.

a solid cover

  On 8/31/2011 at 12:43 AM, Z_B_Z said:

a solid cover

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usqf_t4AopE&feature=related

what the serious fuck? this is wonderful. i used busk this, we'd play it for an hour sometimes going up and up the neck of the guitar with those half-step key changes.

rose mcdowall on backing vox. another part of the coil incest-fest.

its when hes in 60/70s pop mode that i find him most interesting. a great cover of serge gainsbourgs 'bonnie and clyde' (english tranlastion).. i like how theyre just singing over a loop of the original track-

lol the stooges '1969' and suicides 'rocket usa' are the same track-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0fjRjU8sWk