Finally jealous of VST3

Note expression was introduced in the VST 3.5 update and It looks so cool. Its super lame that it will probably live and die with steinberg products, at least for the most part.

http://www.sonicstat...for-developers/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZm8c0kr1Io

Any Cubase 6 users have any experience to share with this?

goddamn i wish i could do that in logic

that's sweet

Interesting but can't polyphonic aftertouch or some other super dork feature already basically do this?

I dunno, I'm suspicious of new features that are basically like “now you can modulate ANYTHING with EVERYTHING times a BILLION” because like, at some point it just gets to be overkill. It's kinda telling, IMO, that they can't even come up with a killer demo IN the video introducing this feature to prove that I want it for some musical reason.

Like am I supposed to get all hot and bothered because I can now “filter sweep” ONE of the SEVERAL notes in a chord? Know what I mean?

  On 1/4/2012 at 4:03 AM, Ascdi said:

Interesting but can't polyphonic aftertouch or some other super dork feature already basically do this?

 

I dunno, I'm suspicious of new features that are basically like “now you can modulate ANYTHING with EVERYTHING times a BILLION” because like, at some point it just gets to be overkill. It's kinda telling, IMO, that they can't even come up with a killer demo IN the video introducing this feature to prove that I want it for some musical reason.

 

Like am I supposed to get all hot and bothered because I can now “filter sweep” ONE of the SEVERAL notes in a chord? Know what I mean?

If steinberg showed up at your door with a bouquet of flowers and a box of chocolates and then steinberg leans in close to your chest to kiss your cheek with sweet lemon drop lip balm and softly blow into your ear and whisper a love poem I might expect you would get hot and bothered..

Nothing to be suspicious about, its just improved functionality and increased user interactivity, which is almost never a bad thing.

Hahahahaha, well posted, RadarJ.

that's pretty sick.

Are any other tracker users having a little giggle at this feature, or is it just me?

  On 1/4/2012 at 6:41 AM, modey said:

Are any other tracker users having a little giggle at this feature, or is it just me?

I was wondering if I was missing something yeah ...

yeah really

renoise for years man!

how many big name VSTs support this? I'm guessing not many...

  On 1/4/2012 at 11:10 AM, mcbpete said:

  On 1/4/2012 at 6:41 AM, modey said:

Are any other tracker users having a little giggle at this feature, or is it just me?

I was wondering if I was missing something yeah ...

i get that trackers let you do most of that stuff but do they let you choose different changing CC parameters per each note in a stacked chord?

I think so, I don't think I'm talking bollocks (sonically it appears to match what I thought it would do - unless it's just my ears playing tricks !)

Here's a simple C major chord (playing in the 4th octave), and in each note in the chord I've set to have a different resonance (resonance in this particular VST has the CC#14 (or 000E in hex). The C has low resonance, E has medium, and G has maximum resonance:

when you're only using the sampler in renoise you can basically do all that if you stick with one lane per track..

pretty cool innovation though, it's like every part polyphony is it's own entity entirely.. would be difficult to implement this in a tracker like they have done it, because notes are not self contained entities but just start, and stop where a new one starts or a notestop is received. it's just data.. they're putting this fancy encapsulating thing around it. but it's just a pretty way of representing the data.

one tracker that does this is Aodix, you can write patterns inside patterns and that's how you build a tune. but I doubt anything good would happen if you had conflicting data streaming to the VSTi's...

  On 1/4/2012 at 10:04 PM, missingsense said:

one tracker that does this is Aodix, you can write patterns inside patterns and that's how you build a tune.

It's worth noting that Aodix was written by Argugu (may he rest in peace) who contributed heavily to the Buzz scene and thus the functionality mirrors a considerable amount of what is possible in that aforementioned software (especially now with how long it's been in [near constant] development)

  On 1/4/2012 at 10:04 PM, missingsense said:

it's just data.. they're putting this fancy encapsulating thing around it. but it's just a pretty way of representing the data.

This is true, but often a different approach to the same problem makes all the difference in the world!

I personally would love this type of encapsulated CC data to become an industry standard. I can already imagine what I could do with it... but I don't see that happening, and I'm not going to go buy Cubase either. Oh well.

  On 1/4/2012 at 11:18 PM, Kcinsu said:

  On 1/4/2012 at 10:04 PM, missingsense said:

it's just data.. they're putting this fancy encapsulating thing around it. but it's just a pretty way of representing the data.

 

This is true, but often a different approach to the same problem makes all the difference in the world!

 

I personally would love this type of encapsulated CC data to become an industry standard. I can already imagine what I could do with it... but I don't see that happening, and I'm not going to go buy Cubase either. Oh well.

I hear you, and it's a cool way of representing the data. from a tracker point of view I was just thinking about how on earth Renoise would do such a thing.. I've heard talk over there on how they wanted to do something similar to Aodix at one point, triggering patterns inside patterns, which would be some sort of solution.. yeah just thinking out loud.. and maybe something to think about for those guys.

man all I'm waiting for is a turing complete tracker and I will be happy

Pretty sweet. I'll probably use it if it gets adopted by other programs.

  On 1/4/2012 at 9:39 PM, mcbpete said:

I think so, I don't think I'm talking bollocks (sonically it appears to match what I thought it would do - unless it's just my ears playing tricks !)

 

Here's a simple C major chord (playing in the 4th octave), and in each note in the chord I've set to have a different resonance (resonance in this particular VST has the CC#14 (or 000E in hex). The C has low resonance, E has medium, and G has maximum resonance:

 

but does it effect any 3rd party VST in kind? can you tell that it's doing polyphonic different values of resonance?

  On 1/4/2012 at 5:48 PM, oscillik said:

how many big name VSTs support this? I'm guessing not many...

so vst's finally catch up to what Elektron did a decade ago

nice to have the capability i suppose but way too fiddly for me. going in and performing microsurgery on the automation like that... something i would only use once in a blue moon.

now if it had a 'randomize automation per note' feature...

i'm with ascdi on this one. neat but this is such a marginal feature it's kind of retarded that software companies end up marketing this shit as "revolutionary" - "the only limit is your imagination".

  On 1/8/2012 at 6:17 AM, iamabe said:

i'm with ascdi on this one. neat but this is such a marginal feature it's kind of retarded that software companies end up marketing this shit as "revolutionary" - "the only limit is your imagination".

This feature would be like using a comb on your hair instead of your hands. If your imagination strays into the fine cracks and crevices of a production then this level of control could be your wet dream. The only problem I can see with it is it can exponentially increase the length of time an artist would fiddle with an album before releasing it. Welcome to the future?

the only limit is your imagination...

...oh and the small number of VST instruments that support this.