Black Saint and the Sinner Lady

couldn't find a thread on this legendary Mingus record, one of my all time favs for sure.

so much can be said about it.

1963.. he recorded it immediately after he left psychiatric hospital observation. the liner notes are an essay by his ex-psychiatrist, here's a small quote:

  Quote

Mr. Mingus thinks this is his best record. It may very well be his best to date for his present stage of development as other records were in the past. It must be emphasized that Mr. Mingus is not yet complete. He is still in a process of change and personal development. Hopefully the integration in society will keep pace with his. One must continue to expect more suprises from him.

^what!

and of course the front cover:

It was specifically because of another watmmer that I finally checked out this wonderful album. Very brooding, and, based on said watmmer's accurate description, "drunk"

I've only copped Mingus Ah Um and Mingus Mingus Mingus but have only heard good things about this, will have to check it out!

Pretty spectacular album. The brass section is fucking gnarly.

  On 2/22/2012 at 8:00 PM, KY said:

It was specifically because of another watmmer that I finally checked out this wonderful album. Very brooding, and, based on said watmmer's accurate description, "drunk"

i'm pretty sure it was lumpy who called it "drunk". doesn't do the thing justice, of course.

  On 2/22/2012 at 8:08 PM, Bob Dobalina said:

I've only copped Mingus Ah Um and Mingus Mingus Mingus but have only heard good things about this, will have to check it out!

those two records are rad compilations, some excellent stuff on there.

but this is different, an epic, a real album, sit-down-and-play-it-start-til-end style.

  On 2/22/2012 at 8:29 PM, Tauhid said:

Pretty spectacular album. The brass section is fucking gnarly.

growling whining snarling brass, indeed. amazing piano work by mingus himself as well.

this is my first mingus record, i love how it goes from noire to total mental. the 60's hard pan pains a bit though.

i like those one album threads, need moar.

  On 2/22/2012 at 10:10 PM, eugene said:

the 60's hard pan pains a bit though.

the hard pans are a bit much yeah, but overall i think the mixing is fantastic and very tastefully layered/dubbed. the brass comes thru amazingly.

should give this a shot, had a friend who kept recommending it.. only really know Money Jungle (playing with Duke Ellington).

I think it's the ultimate "genius musician purges their soul" album. The wild mood swings from struggle, sadness and anger to joy, love, and excitement are handled with so much style and authority. Listening to this album is good for you.

  On 2/22/2012 at 10:17 PM, missingsense said:

should give this a shot, had a friend who kept recommending it..

check out the piece i linked to in the first post, 's a pretty good taster.

yeah it sounds good! I had it before sometime I think but never really sat down. will definetly dig in when the time is right.

Arguably the best Mingus. I however listened to it so much (it was my intro to mingus) that I prefer now:

Blues & Roots

I think that this work is a bit more psychadelic. less big bandish. I prefer his bass work on blues and roots. Tensions is amazing. When Im stone the intro is creeping me out each time:

The first minute or so of piano in the third track is probably some of my favorite piano playing of all time.

  On 2/22/2012 at 11:22 PM, Candiru said:

I think it's the ultimate "genius musician purges their soul" album. The wild mood swings from struggle, sadness and anger to joy, love, and excitement are handled with so much style and authority. Listening to this album is good for you.

it is very therapeutic. I've listened to a lot of jazz records, but this album is something unique.

  On 2/22/2012 at 8:35 PM, iep said:

  On 2/22/2012 at 8:00 PM, KY said:

It was specifically because of another watmmer that I finally checked out this wonderful album. Very brooding, and, based on said watmmer's accurate description, "drunk"

 

i'm pretty sure it was lumpy who called it "drunk". doesn't do the thing justice, of course.

 

that's true it was me :)

Haven't listened to it for ages, but I'd still rank it as one of my favorite albums. Luckily (or unluckily), it was the first Mingus I bought, and so all the others were a slight let-down by comparison (even the impressive Ah Um and Pithecanthropus Erectus)

I love Mingus' quasi-embellished-autobiography "Beneath the Underdog" as well. For all the people who love Bukowski, or Miller, or Kerouac, or any of the other male writers you read when you're young and full of rebelliousness and passion, I would suggest this book. Mingus is just one of those awesomely integrated dudes; his life is like his writing is like his music: romantic, profane, boastful, shy...I just really like his personality. Reminds me of my own (though I'm much less talented I suppose). You don't get the sense that he's overly egotistical but he's also true to himself, non-judgmental and just loved his women and his music.

I would love it if the actor who played Bunk on the Wire (who looks a lot like Mingus) would make a movie about Mingus.

Incidentally the book written by Mingus' (white) wife more recently is the perfect counterpoint to his autobio. She is more reserved and rational, but you can tell she loved him deeply.

  On 2/25/2012 at 3:32 PM, lumpenprol said:

  On 2/22/2012 at 8:35 PM, iep said:

  On 2/22/2012 at 8:00 PM, KY said:

It was specifically because of another watmmer that I finally checked out this wonderful album. Very brooding, and, based on said watmmer's accurate description, "drunk"

 

i'm pretty sure it was lumpy who called it "drunk". doesn't do the thing justice, of course.

 

 

that's true it was me :)

 

Haven't listened to it for ages, but I'd still rank it as one of my favorite albums. Luckily (or unluckily), it was the first Mingus I bought, and so all the others were a slight let-down by comparison (even the impressive Ah Um and Pithecanthropus Erectus)

 

I love Mingus' quasi-embellished-autobiography "Beneath the Underdog" as well. For all the people who love Bukowski, or Miller, or Kerouac, or any of the other male writers you read when you're young and full of rebelliousness and passion, I would suggest this book. Mingus is just one of those awesomely integrated dudes; his life is like his writing is like his music: romantic, profane, boastful, shy...I just really like his personality. Reminds me of my own (though I'm much less talented I suppose). You don't get the sense that he's overly egotistical but he's also true to himself, non-judgmental and just loved his women and his music.

 

I would love it if the actor who played Bunk on the Wire (who looks a lot like Mingus) would make a movie about Mingus.

 

Incidentally the book written by Mingus' (white) wife more recently is the perfect counterpoint to his autobio. She is more reserved and rational, but you can tell she loved him deeply.

thanks, nice post, lump. will be checken.

dug the underdog. thanks lump.

thump.