Guest ruiagnelo Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 So today i accidentally discovered my own allmusic page. I thought it was referencing a cover i recently have done for a Californian band called Dustwire, but it wasn't. Instead, i am credited for the artwork of the album Endeavors, by the band Orwell. I immediately recognized the image, which they used enterely on the cover, and slightly manipulated on the back cover, but had completely forgotten i had made it, as it was part of a group of works i had displaying on a deviantart page, which doesn't exist anymore. I also don't have those images anymore, as sometimes i will just wipe out a certain phase of my work. Anyway, i went on a little seach, and found out the album is actually being sold on itunes and phisically on amazon. Here are the images of the package, that i managed to track on a blog: Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Everything seems fine till here, but i find all this very odd. I can recall having anyone making a comment on the deviantart's image page, saying how he/she was interested in having the image used on a cd cover. I can also recall saying yes, but asking for more details, via email. I can't really recall having a discussion about this with any band. I just find it weird that suddenly i find that the image was actually used and printed on cds, which were later sold. I admit i might have given them permission (even tho a comment on deviantart isn't actually giving permission), but i don't think this went the right way. I mean, contract and stuff, like i have recently done with the band Dustwire. I am writing this here before i contact the band, to know what do you guys think about it, as i don't want to start an unnecessary mess with them, because i don't really have any evidence at all. I can't prove the image is mine, as i don't even own it anymore. I am planning on contacting them and ask them how exactly did they find the image and used it. But if they actually used it without the right permission, what sould i do? Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaen Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 first you should find out exactly what kind of permissions you gave, second bust through some drywall, third, GET PAID Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide kaen's signature Hide all signatures trumps toe fungus Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chim Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Looks like in this situation you just have to let go. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ruiagnelo Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) On 3/18/2012 at 8:00 PM, chimera slot mom said: Looks like in this situation you just have to let go. Indeed. It might be too late. I don't have emails, deviantart account or any other reference. I don't even have the original image! Edited March 18, 2012 by ruiagnelo Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Like you say: try to get in contact with them asking how they obtained the artwork etc. Saying you're the artist who made it. And see how they respond. Don't go aggro, unless necessary. You have to keep as many options open as possible. Going aggro burns al bridges to more friendly outcomes. Obviously. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ruiagnelo Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 On 3/18/2012 at 8:04 PM, goDel said: Like you say: try to get in contact with them asking how they obtained the artwork etc. Saying you're the artist who made it. And see how they respond. Don't go aggro, unless necessary. You have to keep as many options open as possible. Going aggro burns al bridges to more friendly outcomes. Obviously. You are right. I am goint to contact them to know how they got the image in the first place. I am surprised to see that they are actually some band. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Good luck. You've got nothing to loose. You might even get them to mail you their copy of the "originals". Whatever that means on the internet. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaen Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 just ask for a tshirt or something Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide kaen's signature Hide all signatures trumps toe fungus Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ruiagnelo Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 On 3/18/2012 at 8:16 PM, kaen said: just ask for a tshirt or something only if it has the artwork on it Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBLA Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Since I have an outstanding memory. I remember you posting about selling an image to a band. I remember it being that image in particular. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide QBLA's signature Hide all signatures BONDING TAPES JOYFUL UNION CASSETTE BLOG ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ruiagnelo Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) On 3/18/2012 at 8:51 PM, asymmetrical head said: Since I have an outstanding memory. I remember you posting about selling an image to a band. I remember it being that image in particular. Indeed you have a great memory. But aren't you sure that the image i posted was this one? because, like i said earlier in this thread, i don't even have the image used on the Orwell cover anymore... and i made it about 6 years ago... Edited March 18, 2012 by ruiagnelo Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778135 Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBLA Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 YES! I remember a dude walking or standing in a desert like that pic you just posted. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide QBLA's signature Hide all signatures BONDING TAPES JOYFUL UNION CASSETTE BLOG ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekosn Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 they shitted all over that great image, with those letters...thats all I say Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ruiagnelo Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 On 3/18/2012 at 9:08 PM, vganalog said: they shitted all over that great image, with those letters...thats all I say Dustwire did the same. I really don't understand metal bands and their artwork choices. It's like they have the sensibility to chose an image that shows their feelings, but then shit all over it with horrible fonts and colors Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekosn Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 (edited) On 3/18/2012 at 9:17 PM, ruiagnelo said: On 3/18/2012 at 9:08 PM, vganalog said: they shitted all over that great image, with those letters...thats all I say Dustwire did the same. I really don't understand metal bands and their artwork choices. It's like they have the sensibility to chose an image that shows their feelings, but then shit all over it with horrible fonts and colors hehe true, the dustwire one at least fits in more nicely.but as a cover, that image would have been just perfect left alone, imo Edited March 18, 2012 by vganalog Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A/D Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 yeah I would contact them and ask if sales are good maybe they can throw you some dollars. AFAIK not having the original would make it hard to prove you made it, and the court costs would be prohibitive. Nice work though, I think you will have much success licensing your images to bands. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloud capture Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 That's pretty cool. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanakori Posted March 18, 2012 Report Share Posted March 18, 2012 Don't tell them you don't have the original image anymore. Just do it in a way that they will give compromising indications on the answer. Then you can conversate with them at the same level and eventually come to some kind of deal/consensus. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Kanakori's signature Hide all signatures On 2/19/2012 at 4:04 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said: again, i don't really hate skrillex as much as i hate the people that think that sort of music has any sort of integrity. i try to be open minded, and a lot of the time i employ a "well, each to his/her own" attitude towards personal preferences such as music taste and who knows, maybe it is original in its own way, sorta like a drawing by an autistic kid. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Enter a new display name Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 Why isn't your last name Angelo? It would make more sense imo. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778252 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Benedict Cumberbatch Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 I think you have the upper hand here. they do not know you deleted all the originals, so you can threaten them with that fact that you do. threaten to sue and then settle for a fat check before it gets anywhere near court/lawyers. basically get their address and send a selfmade cease and desist letter (templates can be found http://www.google.com/search?aq=1&oq=cease+and+de&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=cease+and+desist+template) i imagine they'll pay you some royalties based on sales rather than pull the cd from sale or get their lawyer involved. and don't be so vague ("i seem to remember maybe saying yes blah blah") you didnt say yes to shit. sue these fuckers Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanakori Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 WHAT IF There are band members on watmm Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Kanakori's signature Hide all signatures On 2/19/2012 at 4:04 AM, Mesh Gear Fox said: again, i don't really hate skrillex as much as i hate the people that think that sort of music has any sort of integrity. i try to be open minded, and a lot of the time i employ a "well, each to his/her own" attitude towards personal preferences such as music taste and who knows, maybe it is original in its own way, sorta like a drawing by an autistic kid. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ruiagnelo Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 On 3/19/2012 at 1:00 AM, Kanakori said: WHAT IF There are band members on watmm if so, they are paying DOUBLE Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zazen Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 (edited) judging by their miniscule presence on last.fm and the low number of views of this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNgVSU2LeEY ... i dont think they've made a lot of money and asking for a t-shirt might make you more net profit than asking for royalties. Edited March 19, 2012 by zazen Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
modey Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 (edited) On 3/18/2012 at 7:48 PM, ruiagnelo said: sometimes i will just wipe out a certain phase of my work. HOW COULD ANYONE DO THIS Edited March 19, 2012 by modey Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide modey's signature Hide all signatures youtube | bandcamp | soundcloud | twitter | facebook 0F.digital Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted March 19, 2012 Report Share Posted March 19, 2012 On 3/18/2012 at 7:59 PM, kaen said: first you should find out exactly what kind of permissions you gave, second bust through some drywall, third, GET PAID permissions --> drywall --> ??? --> profit. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Braintree's signature Hide all signatures colindyer.bandcamp.com williamsbraintree.bandcamp.com Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/72519-band-used-my-image-for-album-artwork/#findComment-1778481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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