Rubin Farr Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 This ain't a fanboy or flame war thread, am I the only one here worried about the future of this company? From what I've read some divisions are still profitable like PS, while others are hemorrhaging money. Kaz is the guy in charge now, the one who came up with the brilliant $600 price for the PS3. Are his management skills any better? And Sony sold bonds earlier this year to help finance an acquisition, so who's steering the ship, and is it ripe for takeover, or more in Japanese tradition, a merger with another electronics giant? I'm not anti Sony or anything, they made my big tv, turntable, cd player etc. so I have had plenty of their products over the years. Would like to hear opinions besides "their next console will blow everything out of the water" or some nonsense. http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-11-22-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-by-fitch Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Positive Metal Attitude Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Al Hounos Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 completely missing the boat on smartphones and handing it over to their nemesis, Samsung sure didn't help. blame Japanese isolationism. after the bubble burst in the 80s, japan decided to burn bridges and focus on domestic markets almost exclusively, it seems. of course, the unfailingly expensive yen is also a big factor. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubin Farr Posted November 23, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Yes, the exchange rate has cost both Sony and Nintendo profitable quarters this year. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Positive Metal Attitude Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 sony's been shit for years. in fact they were only really any good in the 60s/70s/80s - been trading on their old rep for far too long and the bubble had to burst sometime. however old sony silver hi-fi gear from the late 70s/early 80s is class. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide BCM's signature Hide all signatures Bandcamp | Spotify | SoundCloud | Amazon | Apple Music | YouTube | YouTube Music | Deezer | Google Play Music Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 I've been wondering this for a while...they are one of our biggest clients so I hope not...but there have been many signs "blowing in the wind"... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide lumpenprol's signature Hide all signatures After this I listened to geogaddi and I didn't like it, I was quite vomitting at some tracks, I realized they were too crazy for my ears, they took too much acid to play music I stupidly thought (cliché of psyché music) But I knew this album was a kind of big forest where I just wasn't able to go inside. - lost cloud I was in US tjis summer, and eat in KFC. FUCK That's the worst thing i've ever eaten. The flesh simply doesn't cleave to the bones. Battery ferming. And then, foie gras is banned from NY state, because it's considered as ill-treat. IT'S NOT. KFC is tourist ill-treat. YOU POISONERS! Two hours after being to KFC, i stopped in a amsih little town barf all that KFC shit out. Nice work! So i hope this woman is not like kfc chicken, otherwise she'll be pulled to pieces. -organized confused project Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Npoess Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) And the Vita... Sold 4021 in Japan last month. Worldwide sales: 3,34m Compared to the Nintendo 3DS worldwide sales: 22,64m Ouch. It's a shame really. The PS Vita seems like a Handheld that's actually worth buying (if there where some better games available for it). Edited November 23, 2012 by Npoess Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Npoess's signature Hide all signatures │ Tumblr │ Last.fm │ Soundcloud │ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blir Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Ouch, much like a giant enemy crab, Nintendo has hit their weak spot for MASSIVE DAMAGE! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest onesixoneight Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 Panasonic are in trouble too $9.6 billion dollar loss this financial year. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-10-31/panasonic-predicts-full-year-loss-on-tvs-restructuring-cost.html Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lopez Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) It's super effective! On 11/23/2012 at 6:28 PM, Obel said: Ouch, much like a giant enemy crab, Nintendo has hit their weak spot for MASSIVE DAMAGE! It's super effective! Edited November 23, 2012 by dr lopez Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide dr lopez's signature Hide all signatures On 11/24/2015 at 12:29 PM, Salvatorin said: I feel there is a baobab tree growing out of my head, its leaves stretch up to the heavens Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 On 11/23/2012 at 8:12 PM, dr lopez said: It's super effective! On 11/23/2012 at 8:12 PM, dr lopez said: It's super effective! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lopez Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 On 11/23/2012 at 8:14 PM, sweepstakes said: On 11/23/2012 at 8:12 PM, dr lopez said: It's super effective! On 11/23/2012 at 8:12 PM, dr lopez said: It's super effective! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide dr lopez's signature Hide all signatures On 11/24/2015 at 12:29 PM, Salvatorin said: I feel there is a baobab tree growing out of my head, its leaves stretch up to the heavens Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweepstakes Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 On 11/23/2012 at 8:14 PM, dr lopez said: On 11/23/2012 at 8:14 PM, sweepstakes said: On 11/23/2012 at 8:12 PM, dr lopez said: It's super effective! On 11/23/2012 at 8:12 PM, dr lopez said: It's super effective! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 i've always had a soft spot for panasonic Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide BCM's signature Hide all signatures Bandcamp | Spotify | SoundCloud | Amazon | Apple Music | YouTube | YouTube Music | Deezer | Google Play Music Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Member Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 On 11/23/2012 at 8:42 PM, BCM said: i've always had a soft spot for panasonic Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Silent Member's signature Hide all signatures Some songs I made with my fingers and electronics. In the process of making some more. Hopefully. Reveal hidden contents Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 iSONY? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlisuite Posted November 23, 2012 Report Share Posted November 23, 2012 On 11/23/2012 at 2:33 PM, BCM said: sony's been shit for years. in fact they were only really any good in the 60s/70s/80s - been trading on their old rep for far too long and the bubble had to burst sometime. however old sony silver hi-fi gear from the late 70s/early 80s is class. this. they were pioneers in many groundbreaking techs, like Trinitron TVs, portable gadgets (walkmans, discmans...). Their last 'success' was the PlayStation, but even that came out too late, and soon got overpowered by competition. Later on, they kept the high price tag but lost the tech frontier. Panasonic made a good move by keeping their stuff high quality, whereas Sony failed at that part as well. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest onesixoneight Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 I know this is a Sony thread but; On 11/23/2012 at 8:49 PM, Gocab said: On 11/23/2012 at 8:42 PM, BCM said: i've always had a soft spot for panasonic Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
baph Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 I know a genuine Panaphonic when I see one. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908684 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest onesixoneight Posted November 24, 2012 Report Share Posted November 24, 2012 Love 'em Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spratters Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 On 11/23/2012 at 8:49 PM, Gocab said: On 11/23/2012 at 8:42 PM, BCM said: i've always had a super effective spot for panasonic Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide spratters's signature Hide all signatures Jet fuel can't melt dank memes Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mirezzi Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) I think the console gaming industry is going to be inevitably taken over by another company, be it Apple or Google or yes, even Samsung. Maybe it's just going to go away altogether in place of a model that bridges the gap between PC and Console. Gaming clearly doesn't need to be built on this old binary opposition. Sure, Sony is hurting, but look who's on the other side of the mainstream aisle: Microsoft. Neither company have been innovative for a very long time and they're being crushed by their competitors. Then there's Nintendo, which is every bit as isolationist and idiotic as Sony. Edited November 25, 2012 by The Overlook Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr_Nova Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 I'm awfully fond of their MDR-V700 headphones. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Zephyr_Nova's signature Hide all signatures http://zephyrnova.bandcamp.com/releases My noise: http://cthulhudetonator.bandcamp.com My band: http://theskylitup.bandcamp.com Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest FuncRandm Posted November 25, 2012 Report Share Posted November 25, 2012 (edited) My tuppence worth... 1) Sony aren't making the quality products they were before. For example, with TVs Samsung/Phillips/Pioneer all seem to have passed them, and they don't really seem to have realised this. 2) They could have had the world by now, they have Sony Ericsson/Sony Pictures/Sony BMG/Sony Computer Entertainment but because their divisions are silo'd they don't seem to have been able to leverage this into a proper content delivery system. 3) Nintendo and Sony were working together on a CD player for Ninty and when they decided they didn't need it, Sony went ahead and created the first Playstation which destroyed Sega and seriously maimed Nintendo through the life of the N64 and Gamecube. Unfortunately the things that made Sony so good look now to have been serendipitous, with a raft of first party games which changed the playing field but then they were stuck making the same games for 20 years. I loved Wipeout/Wipeout2097 when they first came out, but they kept on making that game in Liverpool for the next 20 years... First party's job should be to create the games that change the market and will keep people coming to your console over other people's... without that differentiator people will use other metrics to choose their console. They made Eyetoy/Singstar which were game changers for PS2 but then got stuck in the same rut again for PS3. 4) They have completely missed the Maker culture movement which has sprung up. Give people a fish and they can eat for a day... Their tools really suck the root for the various consoles compared to others I could mention, and given that most developers will sit in the middle of a gaussian curve in terms of ability they will work better with tools that make them better. When Sony brought out the Net Yaroze it really looked like they were beginning to get it, but they didn't follow this through to the PS2/PS3 properly, gradually fading out Linux support with the PS3, and not giving people anything more than a machine to consume media. The PS3 should have been the start of a home hub with tools to create new media and learn how to program/create computer graphics/make games and it was much less than that. The BBC B/Spectrum/C64/Amiga created a wave of technologists which is just subsiding now, a console built along those lines would have reinforced that wave and created a generation of truly capable technologists by now. Some quick thoughts. Personally I think it is looking grim for Sony and I can see a wave of redundancies on the horizon as they cut back to their core capabilities. The crazy thing is that if they brought out a devkit accessible in the same way that the iPhone kit is for the Vita they would go on to own the games market again... but unfortunately they won't. Edited November 25, 2012 by FuncRandm Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1908956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyrex Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 On 11/25/2012 at 5:48 PM, FuncRandm said: My tuppence worth... 1) Sony aren't making the quality products they were before. For example, with TVs Samsung/Phillips/Pioneer all seem to have passed them, and they don't really seem to have realised this. 2) They could have had the world by now, they have Sony Ericsson/Sony Pictures/Sony BMG/Sony Computer Entertainment but because their divisions are silo'd they don't seem to have been able to leverage this into a proper content delivery system. 3) Nintendo and Sony were working together on a CD player for Ninty and when they decided they didn't need it, Sony went ahead and created the first Playstation which destroyed Sega and seriously maimed Nintendo through the life of the N64 and Gamecube. Unfortunately the things that made Sony so good look now to have been serendipitous, with a raft of first party games which changed the playing field but then they were stuck making the same games for 20 years. I loved Wipeout/Wipeout2097 when they first came out, but they kept on making that game in Liverpool for the next 20 years... First party's job should be to create the games that change the market and will keep people coming to your console over other people's... without that differentiator people will use other metrics to choose their console. They made Eyetoy/Singstar which were game changers for PS2 but then got stuck in the same rut again for PS3. 4) They have completely missed the Maker culture movement which has sprung up. Give people a fish and they can eat for a day... Their tools really suck the root for the various consoles compared to others I could mention, and given that most developers will sit in the middle of a gaussian curve in terms of ability they will work better with tools that make them better. When Sony brought out the Net Yaroze it really looked like they were beginning to get it, but they didn't follow this through to the PS2/PS3 properly, gradually fading out Linux support with the PS3, and not giving people anything more than a machine to consume media. The PS3 should have been the start of a home hub with tools to create new media and learn how to program/create computer graphics/make games and it was much less than that. The BBC B/Spectrum/C64/Amiga created a wave of technologists which is just subsiding now, a console built along those lines would have reinforced that wave and created a generation of truly capable technologists by now. Some quick thoughts. Personally I think it is looking grim for Sony and I can see a wave of redundancies on the horizon as they cut back to their core capabilities. The crazy thing is that if they brought out a devkit accessible in the same way that the iPhone kit is for the Vita they would go on to own the games market again... but unfortunately they won't. They just brought out the Playstation Mobile Dev Kit... 99.00/yr and you can make Vita games. They're slowly waking up, hopefully they're not too late. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Follow WATMM on Twitter: @WATMMOfficial Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1909476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd syside Posted November 26, 2012 Report Share Posted November 26, 2012 On 11/25/2012 at 3:48 PM, The Overlook said: Then there's Nintendo, which is every bit as isolationist and idiotic as Sony. lol poor mario Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide syd syside's signature Hide all signatures " Last law bearing means that any reformer or Prophet will be a subordinate of the Holy Prophet (saw) and no new Messenger and Prophet with a new religion, book or decree will come after him. Everything from him will be under the banner of Islam only." Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/76591-sony-stock-downgraded-to-junk-status/#findComment-1909481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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