So tired of J Dilla ripoff hiphop

So I like the dilla swing thing and all that, but it's now just so done that it's boring...

Like, this is a friend of mine, and I like his stuff. https://soundcloud.com/roygbivz But it's just so carbon copy it's a bit annoying.

:P

I half-agree.

The thing is I still much prefer it to dozens of other trends out there.

  On 3/26/2013 at 11:10 PM, slightlydrybeans said:

So I like the dilla swing thing and all that, but it's now just so done that it's boring...

Like, this is a friend of mine, and I like his stuff. https://soundcloud.com/roygbivz But it's just so carbon copy it's a bit annoying.

 

:P

Sounds like Flylo's 06 demos (I mean that in a really good way), some of these have a good groove. I've heard much worse EDM and Trap music though, often with people who spend more on PR and nice sites and effective spamming.

I think it's something that's still a good template and inspiration, but I agree, it's very much played out. It's kinda crazy how quickly I can move on to something else (one ADHD internet streaming habit I think is good actually)

A Dilla-esque beat that morphs into something else...that's not a problem.

If you can make it your own, then you're golden. I think alotta cats just bite the the feel AND the vibe AND the sound, and that's where the problem lies. If you just flip soul and motown then you're setting yourself for a hell of an uphill battle.

FlyLo makes it his own. Take for instance his tune "1983" which applies the Dilla feel to a cosmic synth jam:

ya lotus is great. But he's surely in the trend-setter category.

I think I just find it more annoying that people who straight bite shit get so many more plays and more positive attention than someone striking off on a new path. I guess that's how the turd crumbles though.

Out of weird synchronistic happenstance we could probably merge this thread with that other one about genre music. :D

  On 3/27/2013 at 1:30 AM, joshuatx said:

A Dilla-esque beat that morphs into something else...that's not a problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFgsqz-wfLo

Nice spam style Slightly! ;-)

I like some of these. Swing isn't patented by Dilla, it is all hip hop beats or do you want him to make hip hop for a quadraphonic speaker set-up suitable for academic pondering? Check out the algorithmic panning on the hats son...

  On 3/27/2013 at 11:05 AM, Djeroek said:

Swing isn't patented by Dilla,

Dilla invented a very specific kind of swing...

It's a bit like with Elvin Jones where you can look at the cats before and after him and very clearly see the mark he made on the game.

'Y'all wanna bite and sample him,

  On 3/27/2013 at 8:09 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 3/27/2013 at 11:05 AM, Djeroek said:

Swing isn't patented by Dilla,

 

Dilla invented a very specific kind of swing...

I know what you're getting at, but to be fair..madlib introduced him to that grittier sound, offbeat style when J.D came to LA . He juiced it for all its majesty ;)

  On 3/28/2013 at 9:17 AM, Djeroek said:

 

  On 3/27/2013 at 8:09 PM, LimpyLoo said:

 

  On 3/27/2013 at 11:05 AM, Djeroek said:

Swing isn't patented by Dilla,

 

Dilla invented a very specific kind of swing...

 

I know what you're getting at, but to be fair..madlib introduced him to that grittier sound, offbeat style when J.D came to LA . He juiced it for all its majesty ;)

Thanks for bringing up Madlib, I haven't listened to him in awhile.

I agree that it's an interesting style. I also think though that if he had not died so young his style would not have been so incredibly codified as it's become.

Would you consider Samiyam to be in this category?

I would say yes for the simple reason that similar methods generally yield similar results.

If you flip 70's records and make boombap then your music is gonna have that vibe.

70s records? Boom bap? THAT'S HIP HOP SON. Dilla was an innovator, but he was not the father of hip hop as we know it. He had a signature bounce to his tracks and that's what the sons bite. His shit had a very sonic quality for how he was putting them together. But dude didn't birth sampling 70s funk/soul records with a break! He just had a way of going about it. So I don't think it's fair to say that belongs to Dilla.

  On 3/29/2013 at 8:13 AM, Deepex said:

70s records? Boom bap? THAT'S HIP HOP SON. Dilla was an innovator, but he was not the father of hip hop as we know it. He had a signature bounce to his tracks and that's what the sons bite. His shit had a very sonic quality for how he was putting them together. But dude didn't birth sampling 70s funk/soul records with a break! He just had a way of going about it. So I don't think it's fair to say that belongs to Dilla.

Yeah when it comes to 70s samples, especially soul samples, there's a very long history of that in hip-hop in so many different forms - Golden Age hip-hop in NYC (lot of the "boom bap" comes from those producers), Southern hip-hop (Willie Hutch and Isaac Hayes samples especially), G-Funk on the west coast, etc. Dilla had a very distinct style in "flipping" his samples and while it's arguable that he help bring a resurgence to sampling old records from that era, others were still doing that and he himself was influenced by other producers. And the timing of his death just as he was really becoming well-known is the main reason he's been so influential. He literally died when his solo output was being widely appreciated and there was a lot of material for people to sift through. He's much like Arthur Russell in that regard.