syd syside Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Quote THE HUNT for some of the most wanted stuff in the universe took a new twist this week with the first results from a high-profile, space-based dark matter detector. The results are inconclusive, but, if combined with recent theory, they hint at something exciting. Could the universe have a dark side, complete with its own force, a zoo of particles and even a shadow version of the Milky Way? "There could be a mirror world where interesting things are going on," says James Bullock of the University of California at Irvine, who has been working on the idea of a "dark sector" for a while. "It means nature is much richer than we would otherwise know," he says. The dark sector could help explain why we've failed to detect dark matter on Earth so far, but it would also demand a radical shift in our understanding of the stuff. The way stars and galaxies move shows there is more mass present than we can see. To account for this, 80 per cent of the universe's matter must be dark. No wonder physicists are desperate to find it. The trouble is the stuff stubbornly refuses to interact with ordinary matter, except through gravity, so has not been conclusively detected. The most favoured models say it is made up of a new, weakly interacting massive particle. These WIMPs collide in space, annihilating and decaying into ordinary particles, including electrons and their antimatter counterparts, positrons. Since May 2011, the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer has been sitting on the International Space Station, sifting through billions of charged cosmic rays for evidence of those annihilations. If it sees an excessive number of positrons relative to electrons at a certain energy, that might just be a compelling sign of dark matter. On 3 April, AMS designer Samuel Ting of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology reported an expected rise in the ratio of positrons to electrons at energies between 10 and 350 gigaelectronvolts. Frustratingly though, the upturn is not yet sharp enough to attribute to dark matter collisions since the extra positrons could still come from more mundane sources like pulsars. "It's an indication, but by no means is it a proof," Ting says. In the meantime, a further quirk in the results suggests that if the particles are dark matter, they may not be vanilla WIMPs. The simplest models predict there should be only a certain amount of dark matter hanging around, and that WIMPs should rarely meet. But AMS has spotted too many positrons for that – so what could make WIMPs collide in space more often than expected? In 2008, when the PAMELA satellite found a similar excess of positrons, Neal Weiner of New York University and colleagues suggested that WIMPs are drawn together under a force of their own. This new force increases their collision rate but would have escaped our gaze until now because it ignores ordinary matter entirely. "The basic model is very simple – we know that there are forces in nature, so the idea that dark matter might have its own is pretty easy to consider," Weiner says. The fact that AMS, which makes much more precise measurements of the positron-electron ratio, still sees too many positrons, further invigorates this idea, he says. But the dark force models still need to describe how galaxies and clusters form and interact, which classic dark matter already explains very well. Enter Lisa Randall of Harvard University and colleagues, who last month proposed a way around this by suggesting that there might be two different types of WIMP. Under their model, 85 per cent would be the classic, non-interacting kind, but 15 per cent would be separate particles that interact with each other via a new dark force, akin to the one proposed by Weiner. This removes some of the difficulties with introducing a new dark force while preserving the benefit of a "boost factor" in the rate of WIMP annihilation – via the 15 per cent of self-interacting WIMPs. It would also require a second new particle, a kind of dark photon. Randall's model was created before the AMS result came out, to explain another whiff of dark matter. That signal, an excess of gamma rays seen by the Fermi satellite, also required a boost factor for it to be attributed to WIMP annihilation. That signal is now fading, but, somewhat serendipitously, Randall's model could be tweaked to fit with the AMS positron excess as well. If her model is correct, the consequences would be pretty interesting. Observations of the orbits of stars around galaxies suggest that all galaxies, including the Milky Way, are surrounded by a spherical cloud of dark matter (see diagram). But if a fraction of dark matter particles interact with each other, they would combine into atom-like structures and eventually collapse into a spinning disc. This is how ordinary matter formed the Milky Way. The resulting shadow Milky Way could be spinning right along with the visible one, or it could end up tilted at a slight angle, she adds. Randall is also open to the idea of more particles, just as normal matter consists of a slew of subatomic entities, including quarks, electrons and neutrinos. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn23372-twist-in-dark-matter-tale-hints-at-shadow-milky-way.html?page=1 Exciting stuff. 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Blir Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Fuck off with your shitty copy paste threads compson Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1982875 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iain C Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 You won't like what else they found up there. Reveal hidden contents Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1982876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd syside Posted April 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 (edited) Why don't you do everyone a favor (literally) and put me on ignore? Or at the very least, refrain from entering my "shitty" threads, you imperialist hijackers. (oh yes) Anyway, keep wasting your time. Edited April 11, 2013 by compson Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide syd syside's signature Hide all signatures " Last law bearing means that any reformer or Prophet will be a subordinate of the Holy Prophet (saw) and no new Messenger and Prophet with a new religion, book or decree will come after him. Everything from him will be under the banner of Islam only." Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1982885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soloman Tump Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Quote Since May 2011, the Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer has been sitting on the International Space Station, sifting through billions of charged cosmic rays for evidence of those annihilations. If it sees an excessive number of positrons relative to electrons at a certain energy, that might just be a compelling sign of dark matter. I'm not really convinced by the Dark Matter theory, I just reckon we have done the maths wrong. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Soloman Tump's signature Hide all signatures https://intrusivesignals.blogspot.com/ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1982898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silent Member Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Quite idm. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Silent Member's signature Hide all signatures Some songs I made with my fingers and electronics. In the process of making some more. Hopefully. Reveal hidden contents Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1982908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide BCM's signature Hide all signatures Bandcamp | Spotify | SoundCloud | Amazon | Apple Music | YouTube | YouTube Music | Deezer | Google Play Music Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1982913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gary C Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 Holy shit. I don't really like Milky Way's, but a DARK MILKY WAY? That looks awesome. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1982932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 oh yes. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide BCM's signature Hide all signatures Bandcamp | Spotify | SoundCloud | Amazon | Apple Music | YouTube | YouTube Music | Deezer | Google Play Music Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1982936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest uptown devil Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 milk > dark Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1982937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zkreso Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 On 4/11/2013 at 8:03 PM, uptown devil said: milk > dark Racist Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1982939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braintree Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 On 4/11/2013 at 7:31 PM, BCM said: Informative and delicious. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Braintree's signature Hide all signatures colindyer.bandcamp.com williamsbraintree.bandcamp.com Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1982940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest isaki Posted April 11, 2013 Report Share Posted April 11, 2013 On 4/11/2013 at 6:04 PM, Obel said: Fuck off with your shitty copy paste threads compson I enjoy the info Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1982984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nene multiple assgasms Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 I had a dark chocolate kit kat once. it was way better than regular kit kat, but I think it was limited edition. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1983059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest A/D Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 It would be a shitty copy paste thread if the subject matter weren't AWESOME. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1983073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kaini Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 i like thread Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide kaini's signature Hide all signatures On 5/7/2013 at 11:06 PM, ambermonk said: I know IDM can be extreme On 6/3/2017 at 11:50 PM, ladalaika said: this sounds like an airplane landing on a minefield Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1983149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Macca Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 http://youtu.be/u7cc8pVX4pY Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1983976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spratters Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Maybe if interesting thoughts and opinions of the poster were put out from the start, thread would have more interesting additions? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide spratters's signature Hide all signatures Jet fuel can't melt dank memes Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1983977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 More interesting? What do you mean more interesting? Muslims from outer space! What could be more interesting. In a couple of decades the Taliban will have their Tora Bora Moonbase up in and running! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1983980 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnalogueCreamPie Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 I found it interesting Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1983984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spratters Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 No, I mean the other posts after OP. Anybody can copy what they see on another site and paste it here without anything on their views of it. If there was something to discuss rather than just a copied article and link then maybe you'll find a few more serious replies. Not just what you see above. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide spratters's signature Hide all signatures Jet fuel can't melt dank memes Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1984046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke viia Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) i'm intrigued by this idea that dark matter would collapse into disks.. all of the images of strong gravitational lensing from dark matter that i've seen look like giant elliptical shapes and the angle we view it from doesn't seem to matter too much, the galaxies seem to be encased in a giant "drop" of dark matter, not rotating disks flying alongside any single galaxy i get that they are trying to account for these extra positrons that don't match up with how WIMPs are assumed to be interacting, but I'm just not sure how that lends itself to the idea of dark matter collapsing into disks like regular vanilla matter. can anyone maybe help me understand this hypothesis of theirs (and why the images we see from lensing don't seem to appear to be doing that)? Edited April 13, 2013 by luke viia Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide luke viia's signature Hide all signatures GHOST: have you killed Claudius yet HAMLET: no GHOST: why HAMLET: fuck you is why im going to the cemetery to touch skulls [planet of dinosaurs - the album [bc] [archive]] Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1984055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
syd syside Posted April 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 On 4/13/2013 at 3:52 PM, spratters said: Maybe if interesting thoughts and opinions of the poster were put out from the start, thread would have more interesting additions? what am I your slave? I thought the article was interesting, I don't know shit about quantum physics, and I posted the thread so that maybe some people who do know more could share their thoughts. ffs Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide syd syside's signature Hide all signatures " Last law bearing means that any reformer or Prophet will be a subordinate of the Holy Prophet (saw) and no new Messenger and Prophet with a new religion, book or decree will come after him. Everything from him will be under the banner of Islam only." Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78426-dark-matter-hints-at-a-shadow-milky-way/#findComment-1984060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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