Guest chunky Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Hello, was wondering where online is a good place to learn about the American civil war. Not really looking for Wikipedia. Are there biased kind of sites about? Like a good left wing account and a good right wing account? Got to admit to being very ignorant about this and am interested in learning more about what happened. Thanks. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 I googled that for you: http://www.onlinecolleges.net/2012/01/09/25-books-studying-civil-war/ Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1986970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendly Foil Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 The sources on wikipedia. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1986971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chunky Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Thanks. Anyone got biased left and right wing histories? Wondering if there's anything brilliant out there, like some great poem that you learned at school or a book that your grandfather passed on to you? Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1986984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iain C Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Here's a Marxist perspective I found by Googling, I have no idea if it's any good: http://www.counterfire.org/index.php/articles/a-marxist-history-of-the-world/11888-a-marxist-history-of-the-world-part-57-the-american-civil-warl Counterfire are a gross trot/SWP splinter group which should be biased enough for anybody Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1987000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyrex Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 The Ken Burns documentary on the Civil War is really good, and I think pretty unbiased in terms of coverage from each side. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Follow WATMM on Twitter: @WATMMOfficial Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1987055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SR4 Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 On 4/18/2013 at 10:43 AM, chunky said: Hello, was wondering where online is a good place to learn about the American civil war. Not really looking for Wikipedia. Are there biased kind of sites about? Like a good left wing account and a good right wing account? Got to admit to being very ignorant about this and am interested in learning more about what happened. Thanks. why do you need "left" and "right" wing accounts? Anything advocating "Lost Cause" mythology is complete and utter horseshit. period. One solid overall book on the Civil War would be Battle Cry of Freedom by James McPherson. Highly Recommended. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide SR4's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1987060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adieu Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 You shouldn't concern yourself with "his" story. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Adieu's signature Hide all signatures There will be new love from the ashes of us. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1987073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 On 4/18/2013 at 12:04 PM, chunky said: Thanks. Anyone got biased left and right wing histories? Wondering if there's anything brilliant out there, like some great poem that you learned at school or a book that your grandfather passed on to you? The thing about the Confederacy in general is that many romanticize it instead apologize or defend it. A few very conservative but mainstream Republicans as well as paleo-conservatives, even outside of the Southern states, often evoke the aspects of the Confederacy not related to slavery directly - i.e. secession, state's rights, and more vagely the facts that Southern history and culture that is distinctly different than that of the North. In fact, I've seen more Confederate battle flags in West VIrginia and Kentucky on bumper stickers and in front of homes, and those states are closer to NYC, Washing and Philadelphia than cities in the "deep south" of Alabama, Mississippi and Georgia. Those border states had a lot of communities and families split up - brothers would literally fight each other at battlefields. The Deep South was a lot more oriented toward maintaining slavery and plantations. Another misconception is that most Confederate soldiers were slave-owners. The fact is most themselves were farmers and if they owned any slaves they would actually work with them. That's partly why there was so much anti-North resentment after the war, those veterans themselves were just another lower social class. The few elite landowners and "Southern Gentleman" plantation owners initiated the war. It's also surreal that veterans on both sides lived to see the 20th century and it's drastic changes. "Old Civil War veterans" were a common trope in media in tv shows in the 50s - with insanely old people in archaic uniforms. I've always been a huge war and military history buff but I've yet to read about the Civil War in detail (beyond cool and interesting books i read in school as a kid). Fascinating and brutal war. Probably one the first with "modern" horrors of quick-firing guns, iron-clad ships, etc. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide joshuatxuk's signature Hide all signatures Tape Escape! Aural Canyon Wood Between Worlds Tapes [joshuatxuk-is-dead] Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1987145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dr lopez Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 On 4/18/2013 at 4:37 PM, Joyrex said: The Ken Burns documentary on the Civil War is really good, and I think pretty unbiased in terms of coverage from each side. this. then watch a really great and funny documentary called sherman's march. it gives a good slice of modern southern life. (well in the 1980s but still) Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide dr lopez's signature Hide all signatures On 11/24/2015 at 12:29 PM, Salvatorin said: I feel there is a baobab tree growing out of my head, its leaves stretch up to the heavens Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1987171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Frankie5fingers Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 i never realized there was a second civil war. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1987178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dese manz hatin Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 here's a nutjob perspective: Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1987210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshuatxuk Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 ^ I almost posted that myself, that's exactly the kind of confederacy romanticized rhetoric I spoke of: it's very much evoked, usually indirectly, by people who aren't white supremacists or right-wing militia types but instead are very much paleo-conservatives or even libertarian (but not left-leaning libertarian) people like Ron Paul. His son Rand and his peers even argue against the basis of things like the 1965 Voting Rights Act. Neither are advocating racism nor discrimination but they're very much for limited government and literal constitutionalism to the point where for the sake of ideology they'll argue against even the most pragmatic and reasonable Federal laws. I find it very unrealistic, tedious to argue, and detached. When it comes to debates on things like gay marriage rights and anti-discrimination laws such stances are more or less a cop-out. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide joshuatxuk's signature Hide all signatures Tape Escape! Aural Canyon Wood Between Worlds Tapes [joshuatxuk-is-dead] Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1987278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixxx Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 On 4/18/2013 at 8:10 PM, Frankie5fingers said: i never realized there was a second civil war. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide rixxx's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1987286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chassis Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Its taking place now. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide chassis's signature Hide all signatures Reveal hidden contents Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1987310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadameChaos Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 (edited) Here? http://www.acws.co.uk/ Be sure to post pics of you dressed up etc. For the lolz. Edited April 18, 2013 by MadameChaos Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Reveal hidden contents Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1987325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xeQYcJWNBz Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 On 4/18/2013 at 11:50 PM, MadameChaos said: Here? http://www.acws.co.uk/ Be sure to post pics of you dressed up etc. For the lolz. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/78517-where-can-i-learn-about-the-first-american-civil-war/#findComment-1987339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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