encey Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) List anything you can find about the palindromic structure of TH -- I am hoping it's more than just a fun 'trick' in "Collapse," but has to do with the rest of the songs too. Here's what I hear: "Collapse" has the same structure backwards and forwards (except that it has that honking sound at the beginning and the swelling noise at the end). Tracks 1-8 are around the same total length as tracks 10-17: 29:25 vs. 29:46. The arpeggiator in Gemini (obviously, by definition) plays a palindromic melody. The pad melodies in "Gemini" and "Semena Mertvykh" are not exactly the same, but their structure is similar in the four main notes. "Come to Dust" reprises "Reach for the Dead's" chord structure. "Telepath" and "Nothing is Real" both have the creepy voices in them. (Probably unrelated, but "Telepath" has no beats while its predecessor does, while "Nothing is Real" has beats while its successor doesn't.) I think the arpeggio in "Split Your Infinities" is also palindromic; can't tell if the one in "Transmisiones Ferox" is. At 1:58 of TF is a radio sweep that sounds like the one at the beginning of SYI. Both songs are in the same key, too. "Sick Times" and "Palace Posy" both feature choppy vocal samples. Edited June 7, 2013 by encey Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide encey's signature Hide all signatures essines said: i am hot shit ... that smells like baking bread. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) did you steel my palindromic structure term? encey you son of a bitch. Edited June 7, 2013 by jules Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide jules's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2019920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaini Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 worth monitoring this, maybe: http://www.reddit.com/r/boardsofcanada/comments/1fvjye/palindromic_sequence/ Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide kaini's signature Hide all signatures On 5/7/2013 at 11:06 PM, ambermonk said: I know IDM can be extreme On 6/3/2017 at 11:50 PM, ladalaika said: this sounds like an airplane landing on a minefield Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2019940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
encey Posted June 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 (edited) @ jules: I Lexington Steeled it motherfucker! Other things I find interesting are that the cyclosa spider camouflages itself amongst the white/gray dead bodies it piles up across its web. One website called it the 'bridge of death' because it spans the web; and a causeway is a kind of bridge. Are BOC saying we should save the earth by turning dead people into food and architecture? If we're 'tomorrow's harvest,' that means we'll keep the next generation alive by letting them, kill and eat us. No, but seriously, the other interesting thing is that the spider survives by playing dead. So I keep wanting to read a 'backwards-forwards,' 'dead-back to life' theme in the tracks, with its equal references to death and seeds. They talked about it being so nihilistic in the interview, but I wonder if the palindromic structure opens up room for an optimistic hearing of the album too? God, I sound like a fucking dweeb ... @ kaini: oh sweet Edited June 7, 2013 by encey Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide encey's signature Hide all signatures essines said: i am hot shit ... that smells like baking bread. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2019941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 hey it is the boc subforum and the palindrome thing struck me right away too. i think this is great! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide jules's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2020001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest feralkittens Posted June 7, 2013 Report Share Posted June 7, 2013 On 6/7/2013 at 9:19 PM, encey said: God, I sound like a fucking dweeb ... Hey man, they started it. They laid the bait out for us, so of course we're gonna dork out. Anyway, I thought I was being a geek when I noticed the similarities between tracks and started to wonder if it was a nested structure, like (((((())))))). I thought it was too farfetched, but hey how about that. I'm gonna wait for my digital files to listen to the tracks in reverse order. Funny how many people said the last track sounded like it should have been the opener. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2020060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
encey Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 bocpages has some good trivia on a few of the tracks too: http://bocpages.org/wiki/Category:Tomorrow%27s_Harvest_tracks Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide encey's signature Hide all signatures essines said: i am hot shit ... that smells like baking bread. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2020128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phudoshin Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 Encey.. you go girl Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide phudoshin's signature Hide all signatures Live sets from Squarepusher, Aphex Twin and Autechre New album 2024: https://keyfumbler.bandcamp.com/album/japanese-tea-ceremony-2 Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2020179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 I don't care at all for this shit, just make an album that has a good build and flow, damn it. If they intentionally broke the good structure of the album for the sake of their palindrome idea that's pretty lame. I feel the flow of the album is just so-so, and wish many of the tracks would have been longer... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide lumpenprol's signature Hide all signatures After this I listened to geogaddi and I didn't like it, I was quite vomitting at some tracks, I realized they were too crazy for my ears, they took too much acid to play music I stupidly thought (cliché of psyché music) But I knew this album was a kind of big forest where I just wasn't able to go inside. - lost cloud I was in US tjis summer, and eat in KFC. FUCK That's the worst thing i've ever eaten. The flesh simply doesn't cleave to the bones. Battery ferming. And then, foie gras is banned from NY state, because it's considered as ill-treat. IT'S NOT. KFC is tourist ill-treat. YOU POISONERS! Two hours after being to KFC, i stopped in a amsih little town barf all that KFC shit out. Nice work! So i hope this woman is not like kfc chicken, otherwise she'll be pulled to pieces. -organized confused project Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2020194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaini Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 i forgive you your trespasses, lead me not into temptasian. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide kaini's signature Hide all signatures On 5/7/2013 at 11:06 PM, ambermonk said: I know IDM can be extreme On 6/3/2017 at 11:50 PM, ladalaika said: this sounds like an airplane landing on a minefield Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2020199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 On 6/8/2013 at 5:00 AM, lumpenprol said: I don't care at all for this shit, just make an album that has a good build and flow, damn it. If they intentionally broke the good structure of the album for the sake of their palindrome idea that's pretty lame. I feel the flow of the album is just so-so, and wish many of the tracks would have been longer... I'm a big fan of yours lumpy but you need to contain this negativity to a thread or two brother. just sayin. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide jules's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2020206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpenprol Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 ok! On 6/8/2013 at 5:09 AM, kaini said: i forgive you your trespasses, lead me not into temptasian. Asians are pretty tempting, I feel your pain Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide lumpenprol's signature Hide all signatures After this I listened to geogaddi and I didn't like it, I was quite vomitting at some tracks, I realized they were too crazy for my ears, they took too much acid to play music I stupidly thought (cliché of psyché music) But I knew this album was a kind of big forest where I just wasn't able to go inside. - lost cloud I was in US tjis summer, and eat in KFC. FUCK That's the worst thing i've ever eaten. The flesh simply doesn't cleave to the bones. Battery ferming. And then, foie gras is banned from NY state, because it's considered as ill-treat. IT'S NOT. KFC is tourist ill-treat. YOU POISONERS! Two hours after being to KFC, i stopped in a amsih little town barf all that KFC shit out. Nice work! So i hope this woman is not like kfc chicken, otherwise she'll be pulled to pieces. -organized confused project Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2020215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
phudoshin Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 The tracklist played in reverse order is fantastic..... now i'll have 2 cd's for the car... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide phudoshin's signature Hide all signatures Live sets from Squarepusher, Aphex Twin and Autechre New album 2024: https://keyfumbler.bandcamp.com/album/japanese-tea-ceremony-2 Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2021637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 yes^ it is paced so it works both ways. it almost works better from back to front. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide jules's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2021709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 (edited) I guess I've missed something, but the reversed tracks themselves should be an option as well, right? A palindrome track, sounds similar when you play it reversed. Or should... edit: not the entire tracklist, but the reverse of each individual track Edited June 10, 2013 by goDel Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2021780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 i was talking track list Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide jules's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2021785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 yeah yeah got that. i'm missing reversed tracks discussion in this thread, is all im saying Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2021790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 ah yes. well it's been established that collapse, the albums centerpiece, works the same in reverse. and warp officially posted rftd backwards, that has to be for a reason... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide jules's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2021803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 exactly... discuss (imalazybasterdzzzzzzzz) Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2021812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Iain C Posted June 10, 2013 Report Share Posted June 10, 2013 Hahaha flashbacks to all the mugs playing Geogaddi backwards. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2021821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaini Posted June 13, 2013 Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 (edited) just a brainfart that occurred to me when szgealebay plorroty kicked in... the intro chords are the same as the intro chords of gemini. anyone tried reversing all the tracks after collapse yet? that would put the intro to gemini and the outro to plzkrwhynini poroldinny in the same key. this seems much more logical than reordering tracks (bands spend HELLA time deciding running order) to me. Edited June 13, 2013 by kaini Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide kaini's signature Hide all signatures On 5/7/2013 at 11:06 PM, ambermonk said: I know IDM can be extreme On 6/3/2017 at 11:50 PM, ladalaika said: this sounds like an airplane landing on a minefield Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2023566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
encey Posted June 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 13, 2013 Think there's any chance that the cut up vocals that come in at 1:49 of "Sick Times" are the same source as those at the end of "Palace Posy"? Really hard to tell, but it would be another symmetry. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide encey's signature Hide all signatures essines said: i am hot shit ... that smells like baking bread. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2024063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 what ate the track time totals of tracks 1-8 and 10-17? are they equal? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide jules's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2024188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awepittance Posted June 14, 2013 Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 not quite a palindrome, but Skinny Puppy's 'The PRocess' I remember being quite freaked out the first time I noticed that the album was basically a loop. The very end leads into track 1 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide awepittance's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2024190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
encey Posted June 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2013 On 6/14/2013 at 2:33 AM, jules said: what ate the track time totals of tracks 1-8 and 10-17? are they equal? Read the OP! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide encey's signature Hide all signatures essines said: i am hot shit ... that smells like baking bread. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/79248-th-palindromic-structure/#findComment-2024451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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