No 24bit WAVs with Vinyl?

So, got my vinyl copy of TH. However, unlike Autechre's last 2 albums, there is no option to DL the 24bit wavs, just the 16bit...is this just me? Or are Warp expecting people who have bought the vinyl to pay again for the 24bit version?

Warp are expecting people who have bought the vinyl to pay again for the 24bit version

From bleep's facebook:

We have had lots of requests from people who preordered Tomorrow's Harvest for wav and flac versions, so we have credited 16bit wavs and flac files to everyone who has bought the vinyl or cd. Happy Sunday!

now stfu and do some research before opening yet another thread in this clogged subforum

Can anyone actually tell the difference between 16 and 24bit?

yup.

Impressive.

  On 6/11/2013 at 6:08 PM, ThatSpanishGuy said:

From bleep's facebook:

 

We have had lots of requests from people who preordered Tomorrow's Harvest for wav and flac versions, so we have credited 16bit wavs and flac files to everyone who has bought the vinyl or cd. Happy Sunday!

 

now stfu and do some research before opening yet another thread in this clogged subforum

A little harsh no? he just joined...

Plus that weren't what he asked anyway - he was wondering if you got/could get the 24bit wavs when you pre-ordered like with the Ae release and not just the 16-bit ones.

And the answer is - no, doesn't look like it (Oscillik - what did you manage to get from them after pestering them ?)

And the other answer is whether or not you have a speaker/headphone system AND (not or) sound I/O chain AND ears to detect the difference of the dynamic range of 96dB vs 144dB (most of which being a sub-audible noise floor). But I'm definitely not going to go into that any further

I honestly don't mind having a clogged subforum for a while, because in the next 8 years until the next album it's gonna get pretty dead in here.

  On 6/11/2013 at 6:10 PM, Friendly Foil said:

Can anyone actually tell the difference between 16 and 24bit?

Frankly, for 90% of the stuff I can't tell a difference. Sometimes I can't even tell between 320kbps mp3 and 24bit wav.

I'm just happy I got a free wav download with the order.

  On 6/11/2013 at 6:28 PM, mcbpete said:

And the answer is - no, doesn't look like it (Oscillik - what did you manage to get from them after pestering them ?)

Just to give a recap in case anyone didn't see my complaint email

here is the copy-pasta response I got from Bleep:

Hi there,

The download is now available to access from your Bleep account. If you log in and go to http://bleep.com/account/music you can download

Best wishes

Bleep Support

Was it a the 16bit FLAC/wav that we all ended up getting or did you manage to get yourself a 24bit one ?

  On 6/11/2013 at 7:49 PM, mcbpete said:

Was it a the 16bit FLAC/wav that we all ended up getting or did you manage to get yourself a 24bit one ?

16bit FLAC/wav.

I torrented the 24bit.

I still have no record, and Bleep did not address the main bulk of my complaint at all.

BLEEP STOLE MY 8BITS GIVE ME MY 8BITS BACK I NEED TO HAVE MORE BITS OF BOC

An interestin article about 24 bit:

http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

  On 6/11/2013 at 7:50 PM, oscillik said:

 

  On 6/11/2013 at 7:49 PM, mcbpete said:

Was it a the 16bit FLAC/wav that we all ended up getting or did you manage to get yourself a 24bit one ?

16bit FLAC/wav.

 

I torrented the 24bit.

 

I still have no record, and Bleep did not address the main bulk of my complaint at all.

 

seems to be a common thing with them. They didn't address my e-mail too when I asked about my Bibio record. I preordered it April 26th and still haven't received it.

I asked why I am not receiving my packages on or shortly after the release date and they wouldn't respond. They obviously have glaring issues in their supply/shipping chain that they don't have the professional or managerial experience to address.

I purchased the 24 bit WAVs from Bleep, and the FLAC, MP3 and 16-bit WAVs show up in my downloads section, but downloading them only gets me a 0kb zip file.

  On 6/12/2013 at 12:59 AM, deadfly said:

An interestin article about 24 bit:

 

http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

"Nor can a bias be defeated by mere skepticism. Controlled experimentation shows that awareness of confirmation bias can increase rather than decreases the effect!"

On Watmm. This argument is lost on deaf ears. lol

You guys are format dorks

Not really dorks, just people who believe in science and mathematics. Physics is also important. Audio is measurable. Hearing is measurable. I find it funny that the people who do not really like this album demand a copy with the "highest fidelity possible". "even though it's shit" haha. Maybe you should be listening to my 320mp3 downloads from bleep for 10$. I think the encoding hits the "sweet spot" for this album.

  On 6/12/2013 at 6:28 AM, MadnessR said:

 

  On 6/12/2013 at 12:59 AM, deadfly said:

An interestin article about 24 bit:

 

http://xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

"Nor can a bias be defeated by mere skepticism. Controlled experimentation shows that awareness of confirmation bias can increase rather than decreases the effect!"

 

On Watmm. This argument is lost on deaf ears. lol

 

The gist of the 24-bit portion of this article is that with proper mixing and mastering it should be undetectable, they even explicitly state that you need 24-bit during the mixing process:

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Professionals use 24 bit samples in recording and production [14] for headroom, noise floor, and convenience reasons.

 

16 bits is enough to span the real hearing range with room to spare. It does not span the entire possible signal range of audio equipment. The primary reason to use 24 bits when recording is to prevent mistakes; rather than being careful to center 16 bit recording-- risking clipping if you guess too high and adding noise if you guess too low-- 24 bits allows an operator to set an approximate level and not worry too much about it. Missing the optimal gain setting by a few bits has no consequences, and effects that dynamically compress the recorded range have a deep floor to work with.

 

An engineer also requires more than 16 bits during mixing and mastering. Modern work flows may involve literally thousands of effects and operations. The quantization noise and noise floor of a 16 bit sample may be undetectable during playback, but multiplying that noise by a few thousand times eventually becomes noticeable. 24 bits keeps the accumulated noise at a very low level. Once the music is ready to distribute, there's no reason to keep more than 16 bits.

They go on to state that 24-bit files may sound better due to different mastering:

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The BAS test I linked earlier mentions as an aside that the SACD version of a recording can sound substantially better than the CD release. It's not because of increased sample rate or depth but because the SACD used a higher-quality master. When bounced to a CD-R, the SACD version still sounds as good as the original SACD and better than the CD release because the original audio used to make the SACD was better. Good production and mastering obviously contribute to the final quality of the music [24].

 

The recent coverage of 'Mastered for iTunes' and similar initiatives from other industry labels is somehwat encouraging. What remains to be seen is whether or not Apple and the others actually 'get it' or if this is merely a hook for selling consumers yet another, more expensive copy of music they already own.

Anyone who has ever authored at 24-bit and then dithered down to 16-bit with a loud or slightly improperly mixed track can tell you that the 16-bit dithered version sounds different - I have noticed mid-range frequencies tend to dominate a bit more. Only an extremely carefully mixed and mastered track will sound identical to the human ear at 24-bit versus dithered 16-bit. I'm not sure how often that is the case, or whether that is the case with BOC.

Frankly, if it's easier to nail a 24-bit recording than a 16-bit recording, it is ludicrous to make everyone use 16-bit with modern hard drive space and bandwidth. The fact that the article whines about wasted space is insane in 2013. I believe 75% of music will sound better with 24-bit, particularly in today's age of brick walling.

  On 6/12/2013 at 7:27 AM, MadnessR said:

Not really dorks, just people who believe in science and mathematics. Physics is also important.

lol

  On 6/12/2013 at 7:32 AM, LOL Alzado said:

 

  On 6/12/2013 at 7:27 AM, MadnessR said:

Not really dorks, just people who believe in science and mathematics. Physics is also important.

lol

 

point taken, well made.

  On 6/12/2013 at 7:32 AM, LOL Alzado said:

 

  On 6/12/2013 at 7:27 AM, MadnessR said:

Not really dorks, just people who believe in science and mathematics. Physics is also important.

lol

 

lol

  On 6/12/2013 at 7:32 AM, cult fiction said:

Frankly, if it's easier to nail a 24-bit recording than a 16-bit recording, it is ludicrous to make everyone use 16-bit with modern hard drive space and bandwidth. The fact that the article whines about wasted space is insane in 2013. I believe 75% of music will sound better with 24-bit, particularly in today's age of brick walling.

 

I believe 100% of people wouldn't notice a difference between 16 bit and 24 bit if you did not tell them there is one and 99.98% would not notice it even if you told them there is one.

I can guarantee you that 90% of those who say there is no difference, have also got their soundcard configured incorrectly.

They very likely have their sound card configured so that it outputs at 16bit 44.1KHz. That would mean that even if they're playing a 24bit file, the soundcard driver is automatically dithering it anyway.

mine is configured correctly