granty Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Been bugging me for a while this one - I've started doing gigs over the last 6 months or so and I'm never sure how to present myself or how to behave on stage. My setup is basically me playing guitar FX over a backing track in Logic on my laptop, no vocals. I've no idea how other electronic bands/artists present themselves because I've never been to any of those kind of gigs, just to see regular bands. How do you play it? Do you interact with the audience or go from track to track with little or no breaks in the music? Are you centre stage or sat in the corner shrouded in darkness? For previous gigs I've basically been stood playing in the middle of the stage - saying a few things between tracks, but I feel a bit exposed and cheesy doing that. Maybe I'd be better sat down with headphones on, no mic, behind my laptop, just ploughing though the tunes with no regard for the audience? Bands have got it easy - there are established rules for this sort of shit, but solo electronic producers... if you're not careful you're in severe danger of either looking like John Shuttleworth or some sort of maladjusted misanthrope. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
zkom Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 As some local psytrance producer said when asked about his "live" performance: "I press play and watch the idiots dance." Made me lol back then. But anyway, personally I think a cool video and light show is the best way to go for an electronic artist. I mean there's not much to watch with a bloke behind a desk full of gear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3f-JwOGO1A Here's Fennesz and Lillevan using a guitar, laptop and some other gear with a video on the background. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44hVPykTlBE Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide zkom's signature Hide all signatures electro mini-album Megacity Rainfall "cacas in igne, heus" - Emperor Nero, AD 64 Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friendly Foil Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 There are plenty of rules for solo electronic musicians. 1. Look really really focused, and maybe even a bit annoyed, while staring into your laptop. It'll make what you're doing look really complicated. 2. Turn knobs on an unplugged mixer whenever you feel like showing that you've got things under control. People won't be able to tell that nothing is happening anyway since they music you're playing is super IDM to begin with. 3. If you're playing some hella banging choons, you're allowed to nod your head for a minute or so. Don't overdo it though. 4. Do not acknowledge the crowd. You may wave at them or something when you enter and leave the stage, but that's it. There's probably more I can't think of right now. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 On 1/22/2014 at 4:44 PM, mokz said: As some local psytrance producer said when asked about his "live" performance: "I press play and watch the idiots dance." Made me lol back then. But anyway, personally I think a cool video and light show is the best way to go for an electronic artist. I mean there's not much to watch with a bloke behind a desk full of gear. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3f-JwOGO1A Here's Fennesz and Lillevan using a guitar, laptop and some other gear with a video on the background. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44hVPykTlBE Cheers mokz, the Fennesz vid looks more my kind of style. I like the idea of having some visuals on the go because it sort of takes the heat off you, I've done enough for 4 tracks so far but it's taking ages. Also, you can see the CPU almost maxing out in Logic when there's a video track on there so I'd be shitting myself in a live situation. I might advertise to see if any VJ type people want to collaborate, save me the ball ache. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbpete Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 If you're doing a noise set - pretend that it's a real effort, almost like you're in pain, when turning the dials on your mixer/effect box Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures I haven't eaten a Wagon Wheel since 07/11/07... ilovecubus.co.uk - 25ml of mp3 taken twice daily. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 On 1/22/2014 at 4:47 PM, Friendly Foil said: There are plenty of rules for solo electronic musicians. 1. Look really really focused, and maybe even a bit annoyed, while staring into your laptop. It'll make what you're doing look really complicated. 2. Turn knobs on an unplugged mixer whenever you feel like showing that you've got things under control. People won't be able to tell that nothing is happening anyway since they music you're playing is super IDM to begin with. 3. If you're playing some hella banging choons, you're allowed to nod your head for a minute or so. Don't overdo it though. 4. Do not acknowledge the crowd. You may wave at them or something when you enter and leave the stage, but that's it. There's probably more I can't think of right now. Serious, got it. That sounds about right. I did try introducing tracks on my first gig but I think I just confused people and looked a bit of a bellend. I've got some midi controllers I could pretend to be using when I'm not actually playing anything on the guitar, as opposed to staring blankly into space and doing an awkward shuffle. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
may be rude Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 just focus on making it sound good. the good concerts i've been to were the ones where the musicians were focusing on what they were doing. be yourself, annihilate artificiality. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
th555 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 I think it's super lame to turn knobs just to look like you're doing something. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide th555's signature Hide all signatures https://www.youtube.com/user/THkaas/videos https://thisjepisje.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/th555 Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 On 1/22/2014 at 4:50 PM, mcbpete said: If you're doing a noise set - pretend that it's a real effort, almost like you're in pain, when turning the dials on your mixer/effect box Good advice. What do you reckon to headphones? I'll just be splitting the output signal between the phones and the PA system so they'd be totally redundant - but they could give the impression that I'm pre-sequencing some complex drum pattern on the fly? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 On 1/22/2014 at 4:54 PM, very honest said: just focus on making it sound good. the good concerts i've been to were the ones where the musicians were focusing on what they were doing. be yourself, annihilate artificiality. Yeah, I guess I'm being a bit of a praise-whore, but If I was 100% being myself I'd just look a bit unsure and nervous about fucking up. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbpete Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 On 1/22/2014 at 4:56 PM, westhead said: What do you reckon to headphones? I'll just be splitting the output signal between the phones and the PA system so they'd be totally redundant - but they could give the impression that I'm pre-sequencing some complex drum pattern on the fly?I reckon headphones are actually pretty useful - it's quite difficult to make stuff out on the speakers, so it'd probably be easier to identify issues through your phones rather than the PA. Obviously keep checking the PA sound too - just in case levels are a problem. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures I haven't eaten a Wagon Wheel since 07/11/07... ilovecubus.co.uk - 25ml of mp3 taken twice daily. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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joshuatxuk Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 On 1/22/2014 at 4:52 PM, westhead said: On 1/22/2014 at 4:47 PM, Friendly Foil said: There are plenty of rules for solo electronic musicians. 1. Look really really focused, and maybe even a bit annoyed, while staring into your laptop. It'll make what you're doing look really complicated. 2. Turn knobs on an unplugged mixer whenever you feel like showing that you've got things under control. People won't be able to tell that nothing is happening anyway since they music you're playing is super IDM to begin with. 3. If you're playing some hella banging choons, you're allowed to nod your head for a minute or so. Don't overdo it though. 4. Do not acknowledge the crowd. You may wave at them or something when you enter and leave the stage, but that's it. There's probably more I can't think of right now. Serious, got it. That sounds about right. I did try introducing tracks on my first gig but I think I just confused people and looked a bit of a bellend. I've got some midi controllers I could pretend to be using when I'm not actually playing anything on the guitar, as opposed to staring blankly into space and doing an awkward shuffle. I'd at least say hi, your name, thanks, etc. Audience members appreciate it. If you avoid needless banter (which only works if it's natural and gels with the crowd) you'll be fine. I agree with Foil though, don't do it during the actual show. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide joshuatxuk's signature Hide all signatures Tape Escape! Aural Canyon Wood Between Worlds Tapes [joshuatxuk-is-dead] Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 On 1/22/2014 at 5:50 PM, Leon Sumbitches said: this, minus guitar playing is how an EM live usually looks like... Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Wear a suit. Seriously. I think the 'just got up from bed and threw a band t-shirt and pants on' look has faded. I'm actually telling this more to myself than you. Edited January 22, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 start with a joke Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide BCM's signature Hide all signatures Bandcamp | Spotify | SoundCloud | Amazon | Apple Music | YouTube | YouTube Music | Deezer | Google Play Music Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 That'd be pretty cool I reckon, a mod electronic musician. I wore my Kings of Convenience band tshirt at my last gig, it wasnt very flattering, you could totally see my a-cup man boobs. I'm going with a dark shirt this time. Maybe a waistcoat and a girdle too. On 1/22/2014 at 7:36 PM, 2WV said: start with a joke "wanna hear something funny?" *starts playing set* Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 On 1/22/2014 at 7:36 PM, 2WV said: start with a joke Jokes are good. I made up some dumb jokes in case buzztracker would crash which it would do pretty frequently. Here are some, feel free to use them. What do you call a donkey with wings? A pegusass! Why don't curlers like quantum physics? Because it's HARD!! HAAAARD!!! Why didn't the water melon marry the honey dew? Because they canteloupe! (can't elope) Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Lol. I don't get the curlers one though. "Did you hear about the carrot that got married? Ther was a big turnip at the wedding." (turn up) Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hma Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Wearing a suit while playing a guitar is an excellent idea. People want to be impressed, so looking cool is a great start, I think when going on stage it is good to have some kind of alter-ego, especially if you`re quite self-conscious, playing a role is a lot more fun than consciously trying not to look stupid. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adieu Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 On 1/22/2014 at 10:02 PM, zemudene said: Wearing a suit while playing a guitar is an excellent idea. People want to be impressed, so looking cool is a great start, I think when going on stage it is good to have some kind of alter-ego, especially if you`re quite self-conscious, playing a role is a lot more fun than consciously trying not to look stupid. Make sure you wear a fedora though, and say things like "I'm euphoric" between songs. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Adieu's signature Hide all signatures There will be new love from the ashes of us. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 be sexy Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118784 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 wear a bear suit Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide BCM's signature Hide all signatures Bandcamp | Spotify | SoundCloud | Amazon | Apple Music | YouTube | YouTube Music | Deezer | Google Play Music Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 If you're doing noise, do something like this Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
modey Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 On 1/22/2014 at 10:02 PM, zemudene said: Wearing a suit while playing a guitar is an excellent idea. People want to be impressed, so looking cool is a great start, I think when going on stage it is good to have some kind of alter-ego, especially if you`re quite self-conscious, playing a role is a lot more fun than consciously trying not to look stupid. Yeah, when I play my Pselodux sets I get dressed up in a suit/something colourful, jump around on stage and pull metal moves when playing the solos in my tracks. I guess it has to be appropriate though. I've just started an industrial metal duo which is a bit more serious, so it won't be appropriate to go crazy onstage, zole. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide modey's signature Hide all signatures youtube | bandcamp | soundcloud | twitter | facebook 0F.digital Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/82023-how-to-present-yourself-on-stage/#findComment-2118816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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