iTunes/Google Play etc terms + conditions

Say for argument's sake a netlabel would like to release some stuff that I already have up in various releases on iTunes/Bandcamp/Google Play/Amazon etc. The release through the netlabel would be a free commercial commons type thing - would that cause any conflicts with the other download services? I've tried researching this but I've had a bottle of red and my head's hurting. Cheers

I've also signed up to a collection society, which I think means they own my publishing rights. Any advice on this much appreciated.

  On 1/4/2015 at 12:28 PM, westhead said:

I've also signed up to a collection society, which I think means they own my publishing rights. Any advice on this much appreciated.

Which one? PRS?

what do you mean by "collection society" an editor? also publishing rights and labels are normally not related, excepted when it's mentioned in the contract but just don't do that and be tough with your publishings, they're yours, seen so many people giving their publishings easily and then cried rivers

regarding your music, it can be released in multiple everywhere but it should have the same ISRC codes, the new label in question should get in touch with his distro

it's a really common thing, like if they wanna make a compilation or something

  On 1/4/2015 at 5:10 PM, Aces said:

 

  On 1/4/2015 at 12:28 PM, westhead said:

I've also signed up to a collection society, which I think means they own my publishing rights. Any advice on this much appreciated.

Which one? PRS?

 

Sentric - not sure how they differ from PRS

  On 1/4/2015 at 5:24 PM, klore said:

what do you mean by "collection society" an editor? also publishing rights and labels are normally not related, excepted when it's mentioned in the contract but just don't do that and be tough with your publishings, they're yours, seen so many people giving their publishings easily and then cried rivers

 

regarding your music, it can be released in multiple everywhere but it should have the same ISRC codes, the new label in question should get in touch with his distro

it's a really common thing, like if they wanna make a compilation or something

I do have IRSC codes, Distrokid generates them for you when you upload stuff to iTunes etc.

It says this on the Sentric website:

SENTRIC's standard publishing deal is non-restrictive and keeps you in control of your copyrights. SENTRIC takes 20% of the royalties it collects on your behalf and there are no sign up fees. If an artist or songwriter wants to terminate the agreement they're free to do so with 28-days notice, leaving them free to work with other publishers / collect royalties directly.

So if I have this right, I still own the copyright and publishing rights - and I can release stuff with whoever I please, as long as I keep using the same IRSC codes?

Thanks for your help with this guys, confuses the shit out of me.

Hold your horse a bit. If you've signed away your publishing rights, you are prohibited from publishing the music elsewhere or applying alternate licenses as the publishing rights are exclusive to SENTRIC and its sync partners during the remainder of your contract. You have to terminate the agreement to publish the music anywhere else. The reason they call it non-restrictive is because it's not a "from now until the heat death of the universe" exclusive deal, you can cancel it anytime you want.

I'm fairly sure this is how it works but you should e-mail them.

  On 1/4/2015 at 8:40 PM, chim said:

Hold your horse a bit. If you've signed away your publishing rights, you are prohibited from publishing the music elsewhere or applying alternate licenses as the publishing rights are exclusive to SENTRIC and its sync partners during the remainder of your contract. You have to terminate the agreement to publish the music anywhere else. The reason they call it non-restrictive is because it's not a "from now until the heat death of the universe" exclusive deal, you can cancel it anytime you want.

 

I'm fairly sure this is how it works but you should e-mail them.

Thanks Chim - just dropped them a line. I think I'm getting confused by the fact I can put stuff up on Bandcamp, but can't put it up on some netlabel's website for free download - it doesn't impact on Sentric's income stream because they just get a cut of gigs and airtime. Doesn't make any sense to me.

The Ghostly International compilation adult swim 2 is available free on their official site or as pay for download on iTunes.

I think that's what you meant, if so it'd be worth contacting them (ghostly) to see how they got on with things.

yeah best here is the transparency card, get in touch with your former label, new label and check with your publishing agency, normally mp3 sales on itunes (etc ...) is not their business, it's possible there are streaming issues, specially with Soundcloud/Youtube but they must engage some effort to take things down

Thanks folks. I wasn't with a former label klore , just self-released stuff using Distrokid.

Just had this reply from the royalty collection people (Sentric):

I'm afraid we are unable to work with music under a CC license as this can often come into conflict with what we try to do as a publisher. It's a bit of a grey area so we stay clear of these kind of arrangements.

So basically I have to cancel my account with them to release under CC licensing through a net label - which seems mad seeing as I'm fine to have it all up on iTunes etc. I don't know if it'd be the same if I was just registered with PRS instead of Sentric, will check them out...

damn they are lazy, they can just get in touch, exchange couple of emails and get along, it's such a common thing

i've done this dozen times

if ever you want this so badly, make an alternate version, add few bits at the intro or something, rename them and release them as you want

it's not really legal but definitely not illegal either

Hah, good tip! Yeah think Sentric have been a bit short-sighted there, missing out on future revenue. Silly.

  On 1/5/2015 at 11:54 AM, westhead said:

Thanks folks. I wasn't with a former label klore , just self-released stuff using Distrokid.

 

Just had this reply from the royalty collection people (Sentric):

 

I'm afraid we are unable to work with music under a CC license as this can often come into conflict with what we try to do as a publisher. It's a bit of a grey area so we stay clear of these kind of arrangements.

 

So basically I have to cancel my account with them to release under CC licensing through a net label - which seems mad seeing as I'm fine to have it all up on iTunes etc. I don't know if it'd be the same if I was just registered with PRS instead of Sentric, will check them out...

As far as PRS goes, I think you're pretty much in the clear. In my case I'm still on the bottom rung in a sense so at this point I can pretty much do whatever. I should imagine you'll be okay with what you want to do.

I'm a bottom feeder too - I could probably do what the hell I wanted for the rest of my life and it'd be of no consequence. Still, good to know this stuff!

  On 1/5/2015 at 1:20 PM, westhead said:

I'm a bottom feeder too - I could probably do what the hell I wanted for the rest of my life and it'd be of no consequence. Still, good to know this stuff!

It is, I'm still getting a handle on things since I've only really just started self releasing everything. I used to have someone who would deal with this kind of stuff. The other thing I'm looking into is PPL, which is the publishing side of things. Still not sure about that though. The whole thing is a bit of a head fuck. If I learn anything interesting I'll be sure to pass on the info.