Polytrix Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Hey all. Picked this up today at my local give and take place. I keep finding awesome stuff. I've got a zoom h4n and an ahuja dynamic mic and plan to record the sounds from the shitty speakers on this thing but I'm going to be picking up all sorts of unwanted sounds as I hit the pads with the plastic sticks....how can I break this thing open to record the sounds/circuit bend it? Picture of the beast here Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggy Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 surely you can just solder a jack lead, stripped at one end, onto the connections to the speaker? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide hoggy's signature Hide all signatures "Whoa! Check it out! RO-BIGH-DUHS!" sigh.. "That's Ribena.." Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggy Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 I suppose to sample the speakers without any stick noise, you'd have to separate them from the body, but then you'd lose the effect of the plastic housing Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide hoggy's signature Hide all signatures "Whoa! Check it out! RO-BIGH-DUHS!" sigh.. "That's Ribena.." Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polytrix Posted March 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Ah great. I'll try that then! Would I need to make sure there are two jack ends on the non stripped end of the lead so I can get the left and right channels recorded? How do you strip a jack cable exactly and how do I know which cables to solder to? The two cables going to each speaker? Surely the stick noise/effect of plastic housing won't record anyway via this method? Thanks. This is fun. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggy Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 well yeah you wont get the stick noise but little cheap speakers give the sound a different effect but maybe you could use sticks with felt on to do a mic'ed recording of the speakers themselves yeah should be 2 wires going into each speaker well it's easy to connect a mono jack because there are only 2 inputs to 1 speaker and 2 wires inside a mono jack lead, but I think a stereo jack has 3 wires, so I'm not sure about how to connect to the 4 connections of the 2 speakers anyone? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide hoggy's signature Hide all signatures "Whoa! Check it out! RO-BIGH-DUHS!" sigh.. "That's Ribena.." Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggy Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 oh yeah and you strip wires with wire stippers, but you can sometimes do it with scissors if you're careful and the cable is thick Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide hoggy's signature Hide all signatures "Whoa! Check it out! RO-BIGH-DUHS!" sigh.. "That's Ribena.." Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggy Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 I mean my guess is that you need the one going into the speaker to connect to the L and R cables of the stereo jack lead and then either of the ones going out of the speakers to connect to the common, but I don't know how you find out which one is going into the speaker - I guess you could test it by holding the jack lead onto where the wire is soldered on to the speaker and see if you get sound coming through don't do it too loud though, you might damage your recording equipment Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide hoggy's signature Hide all signatures "Whoa! Check it out! RO-BIGH-DUHS!" sigh.. "That's Ribena.." Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polytrix Posted March 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 cheers. It sounds pretty good. I'm surprised really Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b born droid Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 On 3/29/2015 at 8:25 PM, Polytrix said: Ah great. I'll try that then! Would I need to make sure there are two jack ends on the non stripped end of the lead so I can get the left and right channels recorded? How do you strip a jack cable exactly and how do I know which cables to solder to? The two cables going to each speaker? Surely the stick noise/effect of plastic housing won't record anyway via this method? Thanks. This is fun. A TS jack has the signal on the tip, and the ground/common on the sleeve connection. I'm not sure if the drum synth would have a corresponding ground signal going out the internal speaker though. But if it did you'd need to make sure you go like for like i.e. don't connect the ground/common to the tip. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide b born droid's signature Hide all signatures spotify soundcloud Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggy Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Is it actually stereo or just mono with 2 speakers? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide hoggy's signature Hide all signatures "Whoa! Check it out! RO-BIGH-DUHS!" sigh.. "That's Ribena.." Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenton Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 A speaker connection is not line level. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide fenton's signature Hide all signatures Reveal hidden contents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkWwIShuoX4 Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
th555 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 If you want the actual speaker/body sound without the pad you could try shorting the pad switch. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide th555's signature Hide all signatures https://www.youtube.com/user/THkaas/videos https://thisjepisje.bandcamp.com/ https://soundcloud.com/th555 Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polytrix Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Thanks for all this. As I don't have a soldering iron I plan to just go into Maplin with it and see what they can do for cheap. I have loads of audio jack cables so that'll be fine if they want to strip those. I have no idea if it is really mono with two speakers or actually stereo. It simply says 'Dual Speakers' on the front of it and even if I opened it up, I wouldn't be sure how to tell...sorry, not so good when it comes to analogue stuff. I'll mic it up and see how that comes out anyway as the stick/body noise is part of the reason it sounds so lo-fi. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polytrix Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 So I opened it up and it is mono output with two speakers. It won't be line level if I attach an output to the speaker connection so I need to identify the amp on the circuit board to then sample directly from that as an output. I have an idea where the amp is located on the circuit board but don't know for sure or what I would need to solder to. Best place to locate old schematics/a manual? Apparently the circuit board is nicely set out meaning it's a circuit benders heaven. I've found a few videos of people who've modded them...I'm getting some crazy kick sounds out of it! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoggy Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 I dunno dude can't you just record from the speaker input if you keep the volume low? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide hoggy's signature Hide all signatures "Whoa! Check it out! RO-BIGH-DUHS!" sigh.. "That's Ribena.." Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polytrix Posted March 31, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 Yeah, I've done that already. I've actually been in contact with someone I found online and they've managed to do it so will follow those instructions :) I can share the final samples if you'd like (although I'm unsure of the legality of that) Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
digman Posted March 31, 2015 Report Share Posted March 31, 2015 looking forward to hearing some sounds from the beast Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polytrix Posted April 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Haha, just started to make racks with the mic recordings and make little loops. Sounds kinda rough but cool all the same. Just reverb and delay without processing the sounds beyond that..sounds cool. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenton Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 On 3/31/2015 at 8:33 PM, Polytrix said: I can share the final samples if you'd like (although I'm unsure of the legality of that) Not an issue. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide fenton's signature Hide all signatures Reveal hidden contents https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkWwIShuoX4 Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/87153-tandy-electronic-drum-synth-how-to-sample-with-no-audio-out/#findComment-2308903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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