This tremolo snare

Hello, Music Makers

So, I've been trying to get this really nice sounding quick tremolo snare (not sure if it's matter of modulation as well or no) kinda similar to snares in these tracks:

If anyone can guide me (effects, instruments, tools, note values, note positioning etc) how to make this nice sounding tremolo snare I would be very grateful. At some point I thought I got this sound but no. What I did is I shoved 1/16, sometimes 1/32, notes and was gradually increasing velocity. Idk if can call it buzz roll.

not tryina be a dick, but i dont think tremolo is the right name for it. im guessing you mean the stuttering? tremolo itself always involves modulation, as its an effect made by modulating the volume/amplitude of something.

as for how they did that i cant really say for sure, but i always assumed the old samplers they were using had some way of retriggering the samples really fast. there are tons of ways of doing it now. plugins, hardware, hand editing the stutters into a daw track...

  On 4/16/2015 at 8:13 AM, MisterE said:

not tryina be a dick, but i dont think tremolo is the right name for it. im guessing you mean the stuttering? tremolo itself always involves modulation, as its an effect made by modulating the volume/amplitude of something.

Not trying to be a dick, but tremolo is the right name for it. It is a common playing technique on different instruments.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremolo

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a roll on any percussion instrument, whether tuned or untuned.

ah ok, didn't know that. unlike many people here i am capable of admitting that i was wrong...

probably best done on a tracker using retrig commands imo!

yeh i was thinking renoise seems like a good option, based on tracks i've heard ppl here make with it. just seems like it must be geared towards that stuff really well

Wouldn't the easiest solution be to just draw it into whatever DAW you're using manually? It'll sound way cooler than some bland stutter effect too... and feel more satisfying.

  On 4/16/2015 at 8:55 AM, modey said:

probably best done on a tracker using retrig commands imo!

This, esp. in a modern tracker like Renoise where you can couple these with other commands like sample offset, along with volume, pan, note delay, fx parameters, etc. This is what Venetian Snares uses (used? Anyway, he started w/ the Octamed tracker on Amiga). Trackers are the shit for this kind of thing because you have SO MUCH control and you can move around so quickly once you get the keys & commands in the dome.

Historically, though, a sampler and a drum machine. Mike used a Yamaha RY30 I believe. Pearsquisher used a Boss DR550. Who knows what RDJ used, but I want to say he was using an Amiga tracker.

  On 4/16/2015 at 9:31 AM, Friendly Foil said:

Wouldn't the easiest solution be to just draw it into whatever DAW you're using manually? It'll sound way cooler than some bland stutter effect too... and feel more satisfying.

"Easiest" if you mean avoiding learning to use something. It would take ages compared to a tracker. I remember reading some funny threads, probably on other forums, about people doing this kind of shit on a DAW and then seeing a tracker workflow and getting literally angry at how easy it was to do in that environment, haha.

Also, I was trying to be a dick. How did I do?

Pretty sure this shit was done in cubase

All u need is to be able to enter midi triggering samples and change velocity

Don't underestimate the power of MIDI :D

  On 4/17/2015 at 4:11 AM, sweepstakes said:

 

"Easiest" if you mean avoiding learning to use something. It would take ages compared to a tracker. I remember reading some funny threads, probably on other forums, about people doing this kind of shit on a DAW and then seeing a tracker workflow and getting literally angry at how easy it was to do in that environment, haha.

 

haha, this. It's like if you tried making breakcore in ableton, sure it's possible but you'd have to work hard to get it to sound the way a tracker does by default

Seriously! It's not that hard, guys, try it and you'll see. It's the path of least resistance. Don't be so conservative, the DAW is not your god.

This is how it's done, just crack open a tracker and spew some note-vomit all over the tracks.

  On 4/17/2015 at 6:32 AM, Chris Toffer said:

Pretty sure this shit was done in cubase

 

All u need is to be able to enter midi triggering samples and change velocity

 

Don't underestimate the power of MIDI :D

He already did that but it isn't producing the right results. Only advice I really have is to add some release to the sample so there's some tiny overlapping and have an lfo modulate the pitch wheel 5-10 cents up and down over time for more variation. It's a start, at least.

You wanna autom8 the sample start point in yer rolls m8. :)

yeah, back then i thought it was playing with loop points.