r.e. Further info about SAW 85-92

Saw 85-92 is my favourite album. I've probably listened to it in its entirety at least 80 times - even more so lately since I purchased it on vinyl.

Anyway, does anyone have any interesting info regarding the process behind the record that I wouldn't be able to find from a google search?

a cat scratched the cassette it was recorded on, giving it that elusive timeless quality.

I remeber good article about SAW and the first releases here a few years ago, can't find it now

  On 6/8/2015 at 12:14 PM, transmisiones ferox said:

I remeber good article about SAW and the first releases here a few years ago, can't find it now

Damn

It's rumoured the tracks were created between 1985 and 1992...

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:06 PM, Joyrex said:

It's rumoured the tracks were created between 1985 and 1992...

Nah...all the tracks were made on 8/5/92.

OK, here's some actual real info (that probably isn't too well known): The tracks on 85-92 were complied from a series of C-90 cassettes Richard gave to his friends to listen to in their cars... from those (rumoured) 11 or so cassettes, the final tracks were chosen for 85-92.

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:29 PM, Joyrex said:

OK, here's some actual real info (that probably isn't too well known): The tracks on 85-92 were complied from a series of C-90 cassettes Richard gave to his friends to listen to in their cars... from those (rumoured) 11 or so cassettes, the final tracks were chosen for 85-92.

That explains the Martin's Car / Sams Car titles I guess, cool!

I still would love to know which tracks from the album are from 1985 / 1986 (I think 'I' was considered the oldest one on there? I remember someone posting an estimate of every track a while ago). SAW 1.5 and the other tracks from that era give a better look into that period, although I still think most of the tracks were made between 1988 - 1992.

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:29 PM, Joyrex said:

OK, here's some actual real info (that probably isn't too well known): The tracks on 85-92 were complied from a series of C-90 cassettes Richard gave to his friends to listen to in their cars... from those (rumoured) 11 or so cassettes, the final tracks were chosen for 85-92.

That I did not know...very interesting. Cheers for sharing

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:41 PM, Herr Jan said:

 

I still would love to know which tracks from the album are from 1985 / 1986 (I think 'I' was considered the oldest one on there? I remember someone posting an estimate of every track a while ago). SAW 1.5 and the other tracks from that era give a better look into that period, although I still think most of the tracks were made between 1988 - 1992.

 

Was just about to ask if it's public knowledge how old each track is and which is the oldest.

Imagine being one of Richard's friends who screens all of his music before it gets released. I guess that's kinda like what the soundcloud dump was

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:29 PM, Joyrex said:

OK, here's some actual real info (that probably isn't too well known): The tracks on 85-92 were complied from a series of C-90 cassettes Richard gave to his friends to listen to in their cars... from those (rumoured) 11 or so cassettes, the final tracks were chosen for 85-92.

Nice!

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:41 PM, Herr Jan said:

 

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:29 PM, Joyrex said:

OK, here's some actual real info (that probably isn't too well known): The tracks on 85-92 were complied from a series of C-90 cassettes Richard gave to his friends to listen to in their cars... from those (rumoured) 11 or so cassettes, the final tracks were chosen for 85-92.

That explains the Martin's Car / Sams Car titles I guess, cool!

 

I still would love to know which tracks from the album are from 1985 / 1986 (I think 'I' was considered the oldest one on there? I remember someone posting an estimate of every track a while ago). SAW 1.5 and the other tracks from that era give a better look into that period, although I still think most of the tracks were made between 1988 - 1992.

 

Yep... SamanTHA to be precise...

  On 6/8/2015 at 5:50 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:41 PM, Herr Jan said:

 

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:29 PM, Joyrex said:

OK, here's some actual real info (that probably isn't too well known): The tracks on 85-92 were complied from a series of C-90 cassettes Richard gave to his friends to listen to in their cars... from those (rumoured) 11 or so cassettes, the final tracks were chosen for 85-92.

That explains the Martin's Car / Sams Car titles I guess, cool!

 

I still would love to know which tracks from the album are from 1985 / 1986 (I think 'I' was considered the oldest one on there? I remember someone posting an estimate of every track a while ago). SAW 1.5 and the other tracks from that era give a better look into that period, although I still think most of the tracks were made between 1988 - 1992.

 

Yep... SamanTHA to be precise...

 

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:41 PM, Herr Jan said:

 

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:29 PM, Joyrex said:

OK, here's some actual real info (that probably isn't too well known): The tracks on 85-92 were complied from a series of C-90 cassettes Richard gave to his friends to listen to in their cars... from those (rumoured) 11 or so cassettes, the final tracks were chosen for 85-92.

That explains the Martin's Car / Sams Car titles I guess, cool!

 

I still would love to know which tracks from the album are from 1985 / 1986 (I think 'I' was considered the oldest one on there? I remember someone posting an estimate of every track a while ago). SAW 1.5 and the other tracks from that era give a better look into that period, although I still think most of the tracks were made between 1988 - 1992.

 

given that everything in the soundcloud dump seems to be 88 or later, and that he posted his "first experiments" with his casio sampler dated 87/88, i'd imagine almost all of these tracks to be from 87-92. it also seems from the soundcloud dump info and syrobonkers itvw that he got most of his gear in 87-88. "i" sounds like the dx100, which he bought in december of 86, according to the receipt he posted.

"tha" sounds like a "newer" track, prob recorded to dat, also "schottkey 7th path" has a lot of distorted 92-ish sounds in it.

  On 6/8/2015 at 6:23 PM, Ingwe said:

 

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:41 PM, Herr Jan said:

 

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:29 PM, Joyrex said:

OK, here's some actual real info (that probably isn't too well known): The tracks on 85-92 were complied from a series of C-90 cassettes Richard gave to his friends to listen to in their cars... from those (rumoured) 11 or so cassettes, the final tracks were chosen for 85-92.

That explains the Martin's Car / Sams Car titles I guess, cool!

 

I still would love to know which tracks from the album are from 1985 / 1986 (I think 'I' was considered the oldest one on there? I remember someone posting an estimate of every track a while ago). SAW 1.5 and the other tracks from that era give a better look into that period, although I still think most of the tracks were made between 1988 - 1992.

 

 

given that everything in the soundcloud dump seems to be 88 or later, and that he posted his "first experiments" with his casio sampler dated 87/88, i'd imagine almost all of these tracks to be from 87-92. it also seems from the soundcloud dump info and syrobonkers itvw that he got most of his gear in 87-88. "i" sounds like the dx100, which he bought in december of 86, according to the receipt he posted.

"tha" sounds like a "newer" track, prob recorded to dat, also "schottkey 7th path" has a lot of distorted 92-ish sounds in it.

Spot on. I remember a discussion I had with ZoeB on this, my argument was basically this:

In which he said he worked in the mines at age 17 to buy his first equipment = 87/88ish. So him posting that recept was a nice counter argument for that :)

Also the Roland R8 drum machine which features on all the older sounding SAW85-92 tracks came out in 1989. I don't think there's anything from 85 on there, the only track could be i, so I reckon 87-92 (being charitable) or 89-92 is closer to the mark. I asked him which track was from 85 once and he said Green Calx -which has an R8 (89) and samples robocop (87). But honestly who cares, it's one of the greatest albums ever made, and the whole 85 thing was a good ruse to bolster his mythology. job well done ;)

  On 6/8/2015 at 8:54 PM, Bambi said:

I asked him which track was from 85 once and he said Green Calx -which has an R8 (89) and samples robocop (87).

lol

  On 6/8/2015 at 8:54 PM, Bambi said:

Also the Roland R8 drum machine which features on all the older sounding SAW85-92 tracks came out in 1989. I don't think there's anything from 85 on there, the only track could be i, so I reckon 87-92 (being charitable) or 89-92 is closer to the mark. I asked him which track was from 85 once and he said Green Calx -which has an R8 (89) and samples robocop (87). But honestly who cares, it's one of the greatest albums ever made, and the whole 85 thing was a good ruse to bolster his mythology. job well done ;)

No 808 at all?

  On 6/8/2015 at 8:54 PM, Bambi said:

Also the Roland R8 drum machine which features on all the older sounding SAW85-92 tracks came out in 1989. I don't think there's anything from 85 on there, the only track could be i, so I reckon 87-92 (being charitable) or 89-92 is closer to the mark. I asked him which track was from 85 once and he said Green Calx -which has an R8 (89) and samples robocop (87). But honestly who cares, it's one of the greatest albums ever made, and the whole 85 thing was a good ruse to bolster his mythology. job well done ;)

Hah, well, there you go! Thanks for sharing.

With all this new info it's funny to read this interview from 1993 again, saying how most tracks were four or five years old at that time, so that makes sense. But then there's the claim about buying a Roland 100m at age 13, as well as some other questionable things (not sampling other peoples stuff, etc.) :)

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Also, that part about Didgeridoo being one of the six tracks to end a party with, Human Rotation must be another one in that list. Any more?

Tamphex?

  On 6/8/2015 at 5:50 PM, Joyrex said:

 

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:41 PM, Herr Jan said:

 

  On 6/8/2015 at 4:29 PM, Joyrex said:

OK, here's some actual real info (that probably isn't too well known): The tracks on 85-92 were complied from a series of C-90 cassettes Richard gave to his friends to listen to in their cars... from those (rumoured) 11 or so cassettes, the final tracks were chosen for 85-92.

That explains the Martin's Car / Sams Car titles I guess, cool!

 

I still would love to know which tracks from the album are from 1985 / 1986 (I think 'I' was considered the oldest one on there? I remember someone posting an estimate of every track a while ago). SAW 1.5 and the other tracks from that era give a better look into that period, although I still think most of the tracks were made between 1988 - 1992.

 

Yep... SamanTHA to be precise...

 

I don't suppose you have any info on Ptolemy? Difficult to think of a more perfectly structure piece of music.

  On 6/8/2015 at 8:54 PM, Bambi said:

Also the Roland R8 drum machine which features on all the older sounding SAW85-92 tracks came out in 1989. I don't think there's anything from 85 on there, the only track could be i, so I reckon 87-92 (being charitable) or 89-92 is closer to the mark. I asked him which track was from 85 once and he said Green Calx -which has an R8 (89) and samples robocop (87). But honestly who cares, it's one of the greatest albums ever made, and the whole 85 thing was a good ruse to bolster his mythology. job well done ;)

maybe he had the melody in his head since 85 ~

Maybe he's calendar dyslexic

  On 6/8/2015 at 11:30 PM, Bechuga said:

Maybe he's calendar dyslexic

Tempted to read this novel of yours ...

  On 6/8/2015 at 9:25 PM, heyheyjack said:

 

  On 6/8/2015 at 8:54 PM, Bambi said:

Also the Roland R8 drum machine which features on all the older sounding SAW85-92 tracks came out in 1989. I don't think there's anything from 85 on there, the only track could be i, so I reckon 87-92 (being charitable) or 89-92 is closer to the mark. I asked him which track was from 85 once and he said Green Calx -which has an R8 (89) and samples robocop (87). But honestly who cares, it's one of the greatest albums ever made, and the whole 85 thing was a good ruse to bolster his mythology. job well done ;)

No 808 at all?

 

all the 808 sounds on the record are from the r8