granty Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Some local record label sent out an email to all their contacts, including myself, but didn't use the BCC field to send it - so I basically now have contact details for a shitload of local and national music press and PR people, promoters, bands and musicians. I'm putting an album out in the summer through a small label. I'm extremely tempted to do a single mailout to advertise it using mailchimp. Would that be a bad idea? I don't think it'd piss me off - you can unsubscribe to the list and that'd be that, but would you make a mental note to never work with me again? Would it be best to use these emails to speak to people one-to-one before the release, give them a freebie download or something? I clearly have no idea how these things work. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted March 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 On 3/14/2016 at 12:26 PM, Mesh Gear Fox said: don't do it! I was hoping someone wouldn't say that. Boooo. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Jan Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Remember how a bunch of members on here got really mad when Grant used the email list of everyone who purchased something at rephlex.com to inform them about the colundi kickstarter? That might help in making your decision :) Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan C Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Don't send unsolicited shit to people etc etc Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Dan C's signature Hide all signatures On 6/17/2017 at 12:33 PM, MIXL2 said: this dan c guy seems like a fucking asshole Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flacid Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Don't do it (but you're going to do it anyway...) Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide flacid's signature Hide all signatures M I D I E V I L /// R E C O R D S Bēāt H āvēn click Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted March 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Yeah, guess so If it makes any diff, a lot of those emails are publiclly available on websites etc - so you know, it wouldn't be obvious I was hijacking a mailing list? The answer's still no innit? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted March 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 On 3/14/2016 at 12:43 PM, Herr Jan said: Remember how a bunch of members on here got really mad when Grant used the email list of everyone who purchased something at rephlex.com to inform them about the colundi kickstarter? That might help in making your decision :) Ah, I see. I guess I don't get as would up about unsolicited emails as others, because I'm a digital marketing dick by trade. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maitake Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 IMO no matter how you work it, unsolicited marketing tends to just rub people the wrong way. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427565 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xox Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Just dont Just dont Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Don't! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 If you have contacts for press, reviewers, etc., they typically ask for submissions, so usually no harm in sending stuff to them. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hawaii Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) leak the list in here :D Edited March 14, 2016 by hawaii Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted March 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 On 3/14/2016 at 2:40 PM, paranerd said: If you have contacts for press, reviewers, etc., they typically ask for submissions, so usually no harm in sending stuff to them. I like this guy. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
QQQ Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 feel free to send stuff but don't expect any reception to it. think about the junk you get sent to you which you ignore... now imagine being them and getting 100 times as much. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted March 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 On 3/14/2016 at 3:15 PM, QQQ said: feel free to send stuff but don't expect any reception to it. think about the junk you get sent to you which you ignore... now imagine being them and getting 100 times as much. True, most people ignore my well-crafted personal emails so I guess this would be no different. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entorwellian Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 There is nothing ethical about marketing so if you have no soul go for it. Otherwise its a very bad idea. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Entorwellian's signature Hide all signatures When A Heron Turns BlackNorthern Flicker Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joyrex Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Echoing what Herr Jan said - Don't do it. Quickfire way to kill any potential respect for you or your music. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide all signatures Follow WATMM on Twitter: @WATMMOfficial Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 On 3/14/2016 at 4:57 PM, Joyrex said: Echoing what Herr Jan said - Don't do it. Quickfire way to kill any potential respect for you or your music. A mass email to everyone and anyone is always bad. Brief, to the point, personally written email is usually fine. Weird Canada has some good write-ups on what is the best way to tackle these issues: https://weirdcanada.com/2015/01/how-to-communicate-with-media-about-your-music/ Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted March 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Thanks folks, I begrudgingly accept the majority opinion on this - despite my inner marketing dickhead telling me to go for it. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
maitake Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 On 3/14/2016 at 5:56 PM, westhead said: Thanks folks, I begrudgingly accept the majority opinion on this - despite my inner marketing dickhead telling me to go for it. Don't you fucking dare send that email. You will regret it! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adieu Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 On 3/14/2016 at 4:17 PM, Entorwellian said: There is nothing ethical about marketing so if you have no soul go for it. Otherwise its a very bad idea. yeah you can't even use the word ethics when discussing marketing. Be a fucking snake. It's how you make it in this world m8 Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Adieu's signature Hide all signatures There will be new love from the ashes of us. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted March 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 On 3/14/2016 at 5:02 PM, paranerd said: On 3/14/2016 at 4:57 PM, Joyrex said: Echoing what Herr Jan said - Don't do it. Quickfire way to kill any potential respect for you or your music. A mass email to everyone and anyone is always bad. Brief, to the point, personally written email is usually fine. Weird Canada has some good write-ups on what is the best way to tackle these issues: https://weirdcanada.com/2015/01/how-to-communicate-with-media-about-your-music/ This is a really, really useful article, thanks. I never know how to pitch an email, I'm so ashamed of stuff I've sent in the past: http://whyideletedyourpromoemail.tumblr.com Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
granty Posted March 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 On 3/14/2016 at 7:09 PM, AdieuErsatzEnnui said: On 3/14/2016 at 4:17 PM, Entorwellian said: There is nothing ethical about marketing so if you have no soul go for it. Otherwise its a very bad idea. yeah you can't even use the word ethics when discussing marketing. Be a fucking snake. It's how you make it in this world m8 I bet Kanye wouldn't have asked for advice on a music forum. I'm not saying I'm as good as Kanye btw. That's for you to decide. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide granty's signature Hide all signatures instagram.com/lo_five_ Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Have your team of Nigerian associates make urgent confidential business proposals asap. Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Ask Cruz' team to do some robocalls for you. Maybe you can win a state or two! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90223-marketing-ethics-question/#findComment-2427821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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