Brisbot Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) Alright I've been going back and reading reviews of Aphex's stuff for national Aphex Twin Review Reading Day.What's up with the apathy toward Drukqs back in 2001, and why has it changed now? At the time they were saying he was constantly breaking new ground with every release, and then suddenly he breaks a TON of new ground with Drukqs, but various reviews saying that he's already done everything in the album before, and that it is on par compared to earlier stuff.It's so strange to read that. There was nothing that nailed the emotional whirlwind and technique before, and imho not much since (but not many people have seemed to try)Oh but now, many of these same publications are calling Drukqs one of the best albums ever? What gives?Oh yes, and where is all this music where Drukqs stole/ took inspiration from? Also, how come this same standard wasn't applied to Syro? Maybe they're just happy to get new music? Also, from artists these days you don't see the same expectation that critics had on Aphex, the 'must break new ground every release' thing. Edited April 2, 2016 by Brisbot Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trilobot Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) Personally I think it's just because it was released just a tad bit too early. What I mean by that is at the time nobody, NOBODY had written anything that crazy before. It's a pretty alien and difficult listen, probably turned off a lot of listeners the first couple of years. A lot of painters have the same issue too, nobody gives a shit about certain works until enough time has passed for trends to change. Drukqs is Richard's fine wine, but instead of tasting better we just have a better grasp at understanding how awesome the album is. It probably helped that the musicians that were influenced by Drukqs at the time helped future listeners get into crazy stuff like that, too. Or maybe we all just sucked back then, IDK. I was 7 when Drukqs was released, was way too busy playing with Legos to notice. Edited April 2, 2016 by Trilobot Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted April 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Oh yeah same, I was 5. heh. Legos were the bomb diggity. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zkom Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I was in my early twenties and vaguely remember when Druqks came out and it didn't get very good reviews. I think it was more compared to the early 1990s when RDJ's style was changing so rapidly. Then there was a longer pause between the albums after Come To Daddy (or RDJ album if you want) and Druqks and the style didn't change that much. A few years may not feel that long now but then it felt like ages. Personally I didn't attach to it the same way I did with SAW2, ICBYD and RDJ album. Sure I loved a lot of the tracks but I usually just cherry picked them from the album instead of listening to the whole album. I felt it just was too all over the place, chill piano pieces switching to balls to the walls drill'n'bass. I remember other people creating their own track lists based on their preferences. Also I have some memories of reviews complaining about the same thing? It may be just me but I feel lots of people that got into Aphex in the 1990s don't think Druqks reaches to the level of the earlier Aphex releases? I know a few IRL and this seems to be the general thinking. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide zkom's signature Hide all signatures electro mini-album Megacity Rainfall "cacas in igne, heus" - Emperor Nero, AD 64 Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
entropi Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I'm a huge afx fan, but never bothered to get Druqks - he lost me with windowlicker (awfully cheezy and boring) and I my interest in his music came back a bit with some of the Analord-tracks and then the Tuss stuff... Still, he has done so many great tracks and it's enough to make a long and really good playlist. I prefer the much more idea-driven and exploratary style of ae, it's impossible to be bored by Exai! On 4/2/2016 at 9:40 AM, mokz said: It may be just me but I feel lots of people that got into Aphex in the 1990s don't think Druqks reaches to the level of the earlier Aphex releases? I know a few IRL and this seems to be the general thinking. This! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tec Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 ^Hell yes. I think his "lost my mp3 player so I had to quickly release something" tale was an excuse against any backlash he may have received, and his hurt response to Joyrex's infamous "quite good" summary may be a bit of evidence of how he felt about this album. It's absolutely outstanding. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide tec's signature Hide all signatures "They're about guns, lasers, robots with laser guns in space. Monsters from the future. Explosions. Sylvester Stallone doing a backflip on top of a spike while Robocop carries a ghost up a mountain. Bombs and swords and that... IDM is awesome." Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 To be fair though, not many aphex releases have received initial rave reviews. Most of them seemed to have grown from the reviewers perspectives. Saw2 was misunderstood. RDJ was misunderstood. I don't think I have read any rave review immediately upon releasedate of any album. Saw1 might be the exception. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amen Lare Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Probably coz Aphex was praised mostly for his pop sensibility throughout his mainstream career, the kind side to bedroom experimentation so to say, and he went too far cold and dark on this one aesthetically. The success of Syro indirectly confirms it. John Cage meets Satie-y vignettes couldn't change that. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zkom Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 It's hard to try to remember what was the zeitgeist at the time, but I remember something like that in 2001 it was thought that IDM and more specifically the drill'n'bass style was already a dying genre. The hyperspastic amen breaks were done to death in the 90s and people wanted something new. Minimal and deep techno were becoming popular at the time and it took the electronic music to a completely different direction. Ae and BoC were also taking the IDM as a genre into new fields away from the 90s style. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide zkom's signature Hide all signatures electro mini-album Megacity Rainfall "cacas in igne, heus" - Emperor Nero, AD 64 Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433124 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zkom Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Checking the Wikipedia Aphex discography it seems that it still was the top selling Aphex album before Syro, so the reviews may not have reflected the public opinion that much? Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide zkom's signature Hide all signatures electro mini-album Megacity Rainfall "cacas in igne, heus" - Emperor Nero, AD 64 Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Ooze Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 1:24 PM, Mesh Gear Fox said: On 4/2/2016 at 9:57 AM, entropi said: I'm a huge afx fan, but never bothered to get Druqks - he lost me with windowlicker (awfully cheezy and boring) and I my interest in his music came back a bit with some of the Analord-tracks and then the Tuss stuff... Still, he has done so many great tracks and it's enough to make a long and really good playlist. I prefer the much more idea-driven and exploratary style of ae, it's impossible to be bored by Exai! whoah whoah whoah are we just going to pretend that this didn't happen? BAN HIM Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Ivan Ooze's signature Hide all signatures On 2/26/2015 at 9:39 AM, RupturedSouls said: This drugs makes me feel like I'm on song! On 9/1/2014 at 5:50 PM, StephenG said: I'm hardly a closed minded nun. Remember, I'm on a fucking IDM forum.... an IDM forum.. Think about that for a second before claiming people are closed minded nuns. Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goDel Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 YES! DIDNT HAPPEN! Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotwang Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) On 4/2/2016 at 12:18 PM, mokz said: Checking the Wikipedia Aphex discography it seems that it still was the top selling Aphex album before Syro, so the reviews may not have reflected the public opinion that much? It's possible that a bunch of those sales were people who had recently got into Aphex through his pop hits, bought the album expecting more of that and were super disappointed. Edited April 2, 2016 by Rotwang Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Rotwang's signature Hide all signatures A comathematician is a device for turning cotheorems into ffee. ⬇⬇ GET A LOAD OF THIS CRAP ⬇⬇ Reveal hidden contents Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amphetadex Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 12:18 PM, mokz said: Checking the Wikipedia Aphex discography it seems that it still was the top selling Aphex album before Syro, so the reviews may not have reflected the public opinion that much? If those are coming from RIAA numbers at all (consequently, Billboard numbers as well, which use RIAA if I recall), that's actually reflecting their methodology: they count double-disc albums twice (if they total over 100 minutes, if I recall correctly). Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Amphetadex's signature Hide all signatures Check out my split with Tacomaniacx, Masterfully Racy, and Malevolent Alien Being: Progeny from Yuggoth Out now on Placenta Recordings!amphetadex.bandcamp.com soundcloud.com/amphetadex Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KovalainenFanBoy Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 to be fair it has some of the best tracks of the decade, but as an album it is a 2 hour clusterfuck Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide KovalainenFanBoy's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jejunum Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 2:12 PM, goDel said: YES! DIDNT HAPPEN! piano un10 it happened Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atop Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Before it was officially released I had the pleasure of obtaining an early copy of the album and was floored. I began telling everyone in here to get ready for John Cage/Eno/RDJ, that he was exploring new ground and I loved it. A lot of haters appeared in here of all places and were down on the record, so I got angry and began pushing it even harder. Never got the hate that was going around from true fans, but I bet they love the record now and that is what I kept telling them, wait 15 years and then you will love it. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide Atop's signature Hide all signatures music by ATOPdj mixes by ATOP https://woodbetweenworlds.bandcamp.com/album/777 https://auralcanyonmusic.bandcamp.com/album/once-i-was-as-you-are-now Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivy Zemura yvI oo ii oo Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) drukqs is literally the greatest musical creation of all time, within its own genre Someone please prove me wrong because honestly I WANT TO BE WRONG. I want there to be more like this even half as good as this but I just don't think the world will ever have it. If Richard only ever created drukqs he would still be among the greatest ever imo. The sheer vastness of all the other amazing stuff in so many genres that he's made though just makes him obviously the single greatest electronic artist of all time. I mean come on who the fuck compares. Sorry lol Edited April 2, 2016 by Zeffolia Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YangYing Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 On 4/2/2016 at 6:37 PM, Zeffolia said: drukqs is literally the greatest musical creation of all time, within its own genre Someone please prove me wrong because honestly I WANT TO BE WRONG. I want there to be more like this even half as good as this but I just don't think the world will ever have it. If Richard only ever created drukqs he would still be among the greatest ever imo. The sheer vastness of all the other amazing stuff in so many genres that he's made though just makes him obviously the single greatest electronic artist of all time. I mean come on who the fuck compares. Sorry lol /thread Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide YangYing's signature Hide all signatures >>MY MUSIC<< Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schlitze Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I remember buying the CD in Stirling's Thistle Centre as soon as it came out. At that time I was a teen and had been recording my mate's brother's Warp vinyl onto tape and listening to my copy's over and over getting obsessed. My faves were Ae's LP5, Squarepusher's Burning'n NTree and RDJ album+ Freeman Hardy & Willis and some of the comp albums. I was getting into this sound. I was excited to listen to Drukqs asap, I immediately got into the fast ones, loved them instantly but it felt disjointed with those piano tracks, I used to skip through them. I was in the minority of my mates who hated the album and didn't listen to it again and moved into other genre's of dance. I don't haven't spoken to them in year's. Drukq's power is it's ability to disorrientate Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerwolf Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Work of genius. No doubt. If he reckons he can make another album as great as this, then that would just make my brain melt into spastic fantastic gloop. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Time Tourist Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I think Drukqs being released after an pretty easy listening like rdj album is, was just too much. To be honest it took me some years to get fully into it. It was that kind of album I had to struggle through, until it hit me so hard, it made me wonder how in the hell I didn't hear it that way ever before... To me it's a masterpiece. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
colunga Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 ya ive wondered if the reception would have been different if 'CCAI Vol1' was separated and released a few months after drukqs. Still would have been wild and dark and weird but those piano tunes seemed to be the basis for ppl claiming it was 'disjointed' or whatever. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brisbot Posted April 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) Well I don't really care for some of the filler. The piano make sense with the album for some reason with me. Quote If he reckons he can make another album as great as this, then that would just make my brain melt into spastic fantastic gloop. Yeah, I reckon though that he will never release another super high intense bpm track, hopefully he'll be able to match the emotions. He's said before he didn't know what compelled him to make such intense tracks back then, meaning he probably doesn't do it now.Think about what's left for this turn of releases. He released his pop album, then the CCAI... I imagine the next Aphex Twin album will be basically Drukqs 2, at least in emotion/feeling. Except hopefully better/more calculated.I wonder what he has in mind. Edited April 2, 2016 by Brisbot Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
koolkeyZ865 Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I first heard DrukQs a few years ago and before that I never really liked electronic music, in fact, it really annoyed me. I was really huge into Nine Inch Nails for like... 8 years or something. After listening to Further Down the Spiral again I thought to look over the artist who made At The Heart of It All as it was easily my favorite track from the album. I checked out Aphex on spotify and at the time DrukQs was his latest album. I just sat down and as soon as I heard the soft dulcimer from Jynweythek Ylow I was instantly mesmerized. Then came Vordhosbn. I just was in awe. How could a human do anything like this? This was the most amazing experience that I've ever had with any album. That night, I listened to ICBYD and the RDJ album right afterwards. When I went to sleep I dreamt of this amazing alien music. I've never heard anything that was as powerful and mind blowing as DrukQs. RDJ is truly the Mozart of this generation. That isn't an exaggeration. Thanks Haha Confused Sad Facepalm Burger Farnsworth Big Brain Like × Quote Hide koolkeyZ865's signature Hide all signatures Link to comment https://forum.watmm.com/topic/90373-whats-up-with-the-apathy-toward-drukqs-back-in-2001/#findComment-2433230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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