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@luke viia Sounds like you'd be interested in counterpoint/fugue. The classical Bach approach employs a lot of shitty rules but the core ideas on how to manipulate a melody line are great to expe

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  On 3/17/2022 at 6:52 PM, xox said:

Today’s tip: use major seconds and flatted fifths more often :braindance:

do you mean, use scales that have a b5 instead of a natural 5th or use scales that have both a natural 5th and a #11? 

 

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do you mean, use scales that have a b5 instead of a natural 5th or use scales that have both a natural 5th and a #11? 

 

Ni i mean that every chord should have major seconds and flatted fifths ? 

(lyk i was sirius)

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  On 3/18/2022 at 12:27 PM, xox said:

Ni i mean that every chord should have major seconds and flatted fifths ? 

(lyk i was sirius)

do you mean that was a joke and you just said some random shit you don't even understand the meaning of? 

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  On 3/18/2022 at 1:38 PM, brian trageskin said:

do you mean that was a joke and you just said some random shit you don't even understand the meaning of? 

mods pls ban

Ofc it was a joke but i understand the meaning of it! Someone who understands harmony should know how awful my ‘advice’ really was

 

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i'm sorry but there's nothing inherently wrong with major 2nds or b5's. there aren't wrong notes per se in music, it's all a matter of musical context. b5's are used all the time in jazz for example and if by major 2nds you mean playing the 9th next to the root, in a diatonic cluster kind of way, that sounds perfectly fine in the middle or high register - not in the lows though. 

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Aaaah maan… Who gives a fak?! Especially about jazz-possibles? 

> it’s a known ‘creepy sounding’ interval in classical theory (Ravel liked to use it tho, with genius results in his piano peaces like in gaspard de la nuit, Ligeti too) but it’s possibly funny to advise someone to use it as much as they can, thatz it! That was the joke! Admittedly not a good one, but it’s a joke! In my defense, it’s not an easy thing to joke about harmony! 

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  On 3/18/2022 at 2:54 PM, xox said:

Who gives a fak?! 

er, pretty much any person who studies music gives a fuck. 

  On 3/18/2022 at 2:54 PM, xox said:

Especially about jazz-possibles? 

i don't know if that's supposed to be a pun or anything but it's terrible in any case, lol. plus what do you mean? that jazz is some marginal shit that's unworthy of interest? cause if that's the case, i'm sorry but you don't even know what you're talking about. if however that was another one of your terrible jokes, dude, you need some coaching on that lol. 

  On 3/18/2022 at 2:54 PM, xox said:

it’s a known ‘creepy sounding’ interval in classical theory (Ravel liked to use it tho, with genius results in his piano peaces like in gaspard de la nuit, Ligeti too) but it’s especially funny to advise someone to use them as much as they can, thatz it! 

again, it's all a matter of context. 

  On 3/18/2022 at 2:54 PM, xox said:

That was the joke! Admittedly not a good one, but it’s a joke! In my defense, it’s not a easy thing to joke about harmony! 

it is easy though, you just need to know what you're talking about a bit, is all :trollface: 

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i'll never forget the "music bends time / time equals will" fiasco xox, do you hear me?

never. 

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i'll never forget the "music bends time / time equals will" fiasco xox, do you hear me?

never. 

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lol never forget? but you'll probably never understand it either ... unfortunately!

i say unfortunately bc imo it's the key for deeper knowledge about art in general and consequently some other important things

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  On 3/18/2022 at 6:28 PM, xox said:

i say unfortunately bc imo it's the key for deeper knowledge about art in general and consequently some other important things

sounds like esoteric bs but ok lol 

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I'd love to hear about Plato, Kant etc. being the key for a deeper understanding, knowledge of music. I'd argue it can be understood from all sorts of schools of thinking as long as we're open minded.. Maybe make another thread?

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  On 3/18/2022 at 2:34 PM, brian trageskin said:

 not in the lows though. 

Wot???

Sorry but cluster in basses are amazing imo. Give me a low a+bflat minor second or stack of diatonic/chromatic cluster in the lowest register on the piano any time.

One of my favorite chord of all is the first 5 notes of minor stacked in a cluster. Played left hand. Massive on bass.

Gives you a thick, dark, dramatic rumble. These days im a big fan of microtonal bass clusters even. It is super expressive and gives you mad oscillation. Can be super cool for drone and atmosphere.

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Found the ultimate cluster piano piece the other day by the way.

Shows you there is no such thing has wrong chord. (Others would probably say it shows you what nonsense you get if you abandon normal harmony hahaha)

 

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All (pseudo or not) scientific-philosophical theory goes out the windows once you hear certain frequencies/sound and they make your brain go ''wow''.

It's interesting to see what everyone has to say about aesthetics/theory of music or philosophical theory but at the end of the day, it's sound and it's effect on us.

It's direct experience. Clusters were forbidden for a long time but once you hear one in a good context and it hits you. You just think all this theory to forbide them was kinda dumb and that it was arbitrary to have this rule.

 

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The most interesting things said about music are rarely being said by critics, philosophers, historians, writers or theorists. It's often nonsense.

Usually the philosophical mindset, aesthetics and psychology of the musicians themselves and their vision of what their music is and what motivates them is highly interesting tho.

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  On 3/18/2022 at 8:09 PM, thefxbip said:

The most interesting things said about music are rarely being said by critics, philosophers, historians, writers or theorists. It's often nonsense.

Usually the philosophical mindset, aesthetics and psychology of the musicians themselves and their vision of what their music is and what motivates them is highly interesting tho.

Probably because the musician's interests/personality shows more about the music than analysing it from an outside perspective right ? I love seeing music as little artifacts you leave of yourself, depending on the work put into it, and passion of course, the artifact is more and more you, with aspects of yourself that would be lost in a conversation.. and with synths you add a whole other dimension to it, you're not just going with tone but with texture too.. fuck i love music:sorcerer:

also gonna take this little moment to say, bippo, you're great at putting feelings into music, love putting it on and dancing to it at home.. theres very little music in braindance in my opinion that goes the full spectrum, that just reaches out to you and is like heyyy now we vibing!! or maybe i'd just vibe more with you in person than with other musicians whose music I don't like as much? I don't understand it I'm just rambling

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  On 3/18/2022 at 7:57 PM, xox said:

 

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"if you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" - julio iglesias

  On 3/18/2022 at 8:00 PM, thefxbip said:

It's direct experience. Clusters were forbidden for a long time but once you hear one in a good context and it hits you. You just think all this theory to forbide them was kinda dumb and that it was arbitrary to have this rule.

it depends on what you're after. clusters in the low register are cool but since they sound muddy af, they aren't gonna be of much use unless you're trying to achieve a certain effect. so there are acoustic reasons that explain why they're not used that much, it's not an arbitrary rule. 

  On 3/18/2022 at 8:09 PM, thefxbip said:

Usually the philosophical mindset, aesthetics and psychology of the musicians themselves and their vision of what their music is and what motivates them is highly interesting tho.

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  On 3/18/2022 at 9:03 PM, brian trageskin said:

"if you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" - julio iglesias

simply?

…which reminds me of this: (bc i can't explain it simply to someone from another galaxy ? )

 

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Just add a fifth to your main melody, a fifth to your harmony, another fifth to that harmony, and so on.  Post the results here.

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  On 3/18/2022 at 8:21 PM, chronical said:

Probably because the musician's interests/personality shows more about the music than analysing it from an outside perspective right ? I love seeing music as little artifacts you leave of yourself, depending on the work put into it, and passion of course, the artifact is more and more you, with aspects of yourself that would be lost in a conversation.. and with synths you add a whole other dimension to it, you're not just going with tone but with texture too.. fuck i love music:sorcerer:

also gonna take this little moment to say, bippo, you're great at putting feelings into music, love putting it on and dancing to it at home.. theres very little music in braindance in my opinion that goes the full spectrum, that just reaches out to you and is like heyyy now we vibing!! or maybe i'd just vibe more with you in person than with other musicians whose music I don't like as much? I don't understand it I'm just rambling

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Yea! the artifiacts! good way to say it!

And thank you!

Yeah feeling in music is very important when i am making it, my goal is always to reach a kind of goosebumps experience while making it hahaha 

For me the way to put emotion in your music is total identification and merging with the process. When i am not feeling a tune, and it's not progressing, i know i havent gone deep enough and merged with sound enough so every nuance gets a direct response from me and i am playing with an artificial process that don't truly interest me so i can't really go 100%.  You need to get into this very tense flow state or get very excited by sound or else its just mechanical and it wont resonate as much. BUT i think some people get this wrong, it's not so much a comfortable, pleasurable, chill state of mind, tho, like when you are watching netflix or eating ice cream, it is not passive, it's more a tense, excitable, ecstatic, uncomfortable state of mind. I think the more you progress the more uncomfortable but also the more ecstatic it becomes. So it becomes quite addictive because of the kind of rush you get. I think the very great geniuses of art are those who can both withstand extreme mental tension while keeping things flowing and ecstatic. Their work is born out of this mental tension.

 

Anyway im glad you vibe to my trx, and its probable because i had a blast making them. 

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pro tip: 

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  On 3/19/2022 at 2:09 PM, brian trageskin said:

pro tip: 

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