Looking for that effects box...

I had a mixer that you could turn a knob and it would apply the effect (reverb, delay) to the bit of sound going through the channel you turned the knob on. Do you dig it?

Well, I'd love to find a box that would possibly do the same thing, while having nice effects. Can you think of one?

i use the nord modular g2 as an effects box...it offers reverb/delay/flanger/phaser/chorus/compressor/pitch effects/digitizer/filter/wave shaping modules and has 4 ins/4 outs...lots of possibilities

That'd be divine, but I'm like, about to start college? :laughing:

I'm not sure if there is a term for it, but it's when the, let's say... reverb is applied to a drum pattern. Pretend it's a bass drum, snare, bass drum, snare pattern. You apply the reverb to a snare - it rooms out - and you turn down the knob before the bass drum is triggered. But the snare reverb keeps going.

Is there a term for that?

Yah, it's called, bass drum and snare drum on seperate channels, with reverb applied to the snare drum's channel.

I'm talking about the way the effect can be applied?

Uhh, yah, you apply the reverb to an audio channel that only has a snare drum on it. I'm not sure I can be any more clear here.

It all really depends on what you're using to make the drum pattern.

In renoise, I would put the Bass drum on track 1, and have no DSP effects on track 1. On track 2, I would use "MP Reverb" on "Excellent" quality, and play the snare drum on track 2.

In FL Studio, I would put the snare drum pattern on its own sequencer track. I would then go into its instrument properties place thingie and set the FX channel to 1, and then go into the Fruity Mixer and put a Reverb effect on FX Channel 1.

Using hardware, I would buy a drum machine with seperate outs for each drum part, and plug the bass drum set of outs (or one out if the channels are mono) into one channel of a mixer, and the snare drum outs/out into another channel on the mixer. I would then plug the output of the FX Send section into a reverb box (Lexicon is fab!) and then plug the output of the reverb box into the input section of the FX send area. I would then turn up the "FX Send" knob of the mixer channel that has the snare drum sounds in it to send some of the signal comming from the snare drum to the FX section, through the reverb box, back into the snare drum's mixer channel, and then out along the monitor output.

Using Reason, I would basically do the same thing as the hardware section here because its all the same look and feel.

Perhaps Chris Moss could comment on Ableton Live, but I think by now you're starting to see why more details on the initial post can lead to better targetted responses.

  ten fingers ten toes said:

Using hardware, I would buy a drum machine with seperate outs for each drum part, and plug the bass drum set of outs (or one out if the channels are mono) into one channel of a mixer, and the snare drum outs/out into another channel on the mixer. I would then plug the output of the FX Send section into a reverb box (Lexicon is fab!) and then plug the output of the reverb box into the input section of the FX send area. I would then turn up the "FX Send" knob of the mixer channel that has the snare drum sounds in it to send some of the signal comming from the snare drum to the FX section, through the reverb box, back into the snare drum's mixer channel, and then out along the monitor output.

 

 

Perhaps Chris Moss could comment on Ableton Live, but I think by now you're starting to see why more details on the initial post can lead to better targetted responses.

i dont have much to say which you havnt said already via the mixer fx return and sends, most of the old roland drum machines have I/O's [the 707 has 10 indavidual outs] which comes in super handy and makes the drum machine sound 100 times better, but to get the full you'd have to have a like 32 track mixer

in ableton as far as i know there isnt the FL way of assigning/routing 1 fx to a pericular part of the drum kit, unless you use 2 diffrent channels, though i cant say i have had first hand experience in this coz i mostly use my hardware drum machines routed up to my mixer, and if needs be use the R/S with the effect

my mixer is

Well, thanks for that. I'm really only looking for hardware... but let's see if I can strain my English even more...

OK - kick and snare going through the same channel. You twist the knob that applies reverb to the channel when the snare comes in. Snare booms out. You turn the knob down and the snare reverb STAYS, while the kick doesn't reverberate.

I have an effects box that won't do that. You apply reverb to the snare, it booms out, you turn down the knob, and the reverb goes away with the turning of the knob.

Sorry...

  thisket said:

Well, thanks for that. I'm really only looking for hardware... but let's see if I can strain my English even more...

 

OK - kick and snare going through the same channel. You twist the knob that applies reverb to the channel when the snare comes in. Snare booms out. You turn the knob down and the snare reverb STAYS, while the kick doesn't reverberate.

 

I have an effects box that won't do that. You apply reverb to the snare, it booms out, you turn down the knob, and the reverb goes away with the turning of the knob.

 

Sorry...

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i don't know if what your explaining exists man

is this not just a send and return type scenario with the effect returned to a channel on the desk that you can feed back on itself?

i dunno

mo

No. It was just an effects box that would apply the effect to the bit of audio it was introduced to, and would continue in decay and wouldn't affect the next sounds.

I HAD SOMETHING LIKE THIS! IT DOES EXIST!

So does anyone know of any other good hardware effects boxes, possibly with multiple ins and outs, that might do this? It was an orgasm to have, and now it's gone!

I think you can get a similar effect by just getting some random hardware reverb, splitting the clean signal into two, one bypassing the reverb, and the other going into the reverb with a volume control just before the unit. If you turn the dry signal off on the reverb, you'll be able to achieve the same effect by turning the volume control up when you want reverb.

Maybe it's just a MIDI'ed h/w unit and you're programming control data with the knob.

Or a reverb/delay patch - and the delayed reverb's on a loop.

I just made this per your inspiration!

No knob twiddling required! (you can adjust though where you want the cutoff between bass drum frequency and snare drum frequency to be though). Just plug it into the left input on the Nord Modular and you're all set. Assign the unipolar constant's knob to whichever one you want to control your reverb time.

I dont normally use sends but when, on a mixer, you move the send nob on a channel, I think it sends the amplified signal to the effect while the send volume itself stays constant, so You get the tail of the verb while the signal fades out. I dont imagine they set hardware multieffects up in this way unless it has multi in/out effects/mixer sort of combination. Im not sure what to reccommend.

Yeah what bubba said.

You quickly open and close the SEND so the snare gets through.

All kinds of effect units have a send knob, just look around.

Of course they're not all with midi.

  user said:

Of course they're not all with midi.

i think that's the problem, because you'll probably want to automate the closing of the send feed..

i'd just route the signal into a computer & a mixer of some sort (a mixer inside a vst host would be nice if you want to run other effects, but a simple msp patch will do too)

maybe hook a controller up to your pc to have some direct control.. it'll be cheaper than upgrading your mixer (providing you already use your pc for audio).

a micromodular could be a good alternative too! a patch like the one TFTT posted is nice (splitting snare and bd into seperate bins) but kinda overkill for what you want. micromodulars are nice little beasties..

Fancy shite! My mind is boggling! :confused:

So... that particular feature aside, what is a really good effects box for hardware? Are those Alesis Midi/Nano/Etc.-verb rectangles any good? I'm mostly looking for divine reverb and delay - I have the distortion and all the other conventional effects taken care of. I'd also like to not sell my arm or anything.

And of course, please tell me your experience with your boxes.

The only hardware effets box Ive used has been line in patches made on my Nord Micro Modular, which are fantastic, but suck for reverb and delay due to lack of memory and any sort of reverb DSP algorithm. The G2 has a very basic reverb module but it's not really the lush type you're looking for.

It will do anything else splendidly though. Even post-production and mastering! All kinds of possibilities if you're willing to learn....

I thought this forum was called expert knob twiddlers. :omg:

I can twiddle a knob reeal good, I'm just looking for which knobs to twiddle.

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I'm just looking for which knobs to twiddle.

well...

easy setup there...

this will do it

cheap and basic. all you have to do is make sure your twiddling the right knob. to let the reverb decay naturally, durn down the send on the channel. to cut the reverb out immediately, turn down the return on the main.

enjoy.

Use a gate

i got a lexicon reflex reverb really cheap used from a local shop. it sounds great. i can't remember exactly how much it was but it wasn't much more than $50.

i'm not sure if it can do what you were saying though... i use it mainly for guitar and synths.