drum machine chat

preferably hardware. i own a tr 707 that i bought 2nd hand from my friend which he bought 2nd hand etc etc. it's a lot of fun

i was thinking today i need to buy a drum machine and i totally forgot i owned the 707. i was looking at drum machines online today and the electribe r1 caught my attention. and of couse the elektron machine drum did as well :jedi:

what rhythm compsers' you chaps use? what has the lushist sounds? the tr 909 looks like a fucking lovely device.

how is the programming on the 707 compared to the 909, 808 and classics

The 707 is meant to be the easiest to program, cos of the grid display that lets you see everything that's happening on every beat.

I have a 606 which is a lot of fun to program, but you can only see what's on each beat for one instrument at a time.

Why not try to make a track with your 707 before you run out and buy something new?

I also get that weird thing of "I need a new... oh wait, I have one of those...". I believe it's called GAS.

I recently resolved (having finally got my knob box) not to buy any new gear until I've made an album's worth of tracks with the gear I have right now.

In terms of sounds, the 606 has a really nice punchy bright snare, and really REALLY nice highhats.

I think the 606 might be about the cheapest way to get analogue hats, and it's definitely worth it. It's pretty much impossible to make them sound bad, unlike digital hats where you always seem to be fighting off a surging wave of "harsh"

Have you listened to the EAP stuff? If that doesnt inspire you to do something with your 707, nothing will.

  αnalogue ψings said:

Have you listened to the EAP stuff? If that doesnt inspire you to do something with your 707, nothing will.

no but i know i have to. i saw that thread/poll the other day on EAP and bookmarked their page. i need to hear that stuff now more than ever i guess.

  YEKKER said:

  αnalogue ψings said:

 

 

Have you listened to the EAP stuff? If that doesnt inspire you to do something with your 707, nothing will.

 

no but i know i have to. i saw that thread/poll the other day on EAP and bookmarked their page. i need to hear that stuff now more than ever i guess.

well, it's only like 100 tracks of Analord-influenced melodic goodness with 707 sounding fucking boom on like 95% of the tracks :laughing:

  αnalogue ψings said:

  YEKKER said:

  αnalogue ψings said:

 

 

Have you listened to the EAP stuff? If that doesnt inspire you to do something with your 707, nothing will.

 

no but i know i have to. i saw that thread/poll the other day on EAP and bookmarked their page. i need to hear that stuff now more than ever i guess.

 

well, it's only like 100 tracks of Analord-influenced melodic goodness with 707 sounding fucking boom on like 95% of the tracks :laughing:

:innocent:

TR 606

The 606 is the owner of the puniest 100hz bullshit bass drum sound in the classic Roland series. The hi hats contain a lot more beef, and are therefore much more delicious. The snare drum fills up the sound spectrum a lot, and it's nowhere near as good as an 808 snare drum. The toms are fun, but will you ever use them in a song? The beauty of this machine is a song comes from distorting its signal. Universal Indicator, Ceephax, and Chris Moss Acid have all distorted the signal of a 606 and mixed it with invigorating acid nonsense to make some thrilling songs.

The track programming is one of the best because of its ease of use. If there were a competition between 606 track programming and 808 track programming, then the 606 would win. Some people don't use track programming, they mix and choose the individual patterns in the song live, as pointed out by The Moon. Judging purely on track programming, I would prefer the 606 to the 808. Only buy a 606 if you are planning to buy a 303 and want to make acid tunes in a similar style to UI, Ceephax, or CMA. The 606 is really puny and difficult to mix unless it is distorted. You may hear people recommend this drum machine as a "beginners" one. This is bullshit, they are only saying this because of the cheaper price. Buy this because you want to make distorted acid, or you are a collector, not because it is cheap.

TR 727

This is pretty much the same hardware as a 707 with a different colour. The track programming is exactly the same. The sounds are "latin" influenced. They are more of a support drum sound, as you are not getting your bass drum, snare drum, and hi hats. If you specialise in acid house and already own a lot of equipment and are rich, you may feel like buying on of these to add some cheese or humour to your songs.

TR 808

This is the best of them all. Why? Because it has the best sounds.

The bass drum sound is the best in Roland. It hits 50hz and sounds like beef. It can get puny if you have weird tastes and want to satisfy them. The snare drum, hmm how to explain? It's flexible, and sounds good. The hi hats are great. Everything else kicks ass too, I can't be arsed explaining, you've heard this machine before, just buy it. Save the money, buy it. Fuckit, just buy this one right now. If you can't afford it, just buy it, make your songs, then sell it on again. You can't afford £500 sometime over the next 3 years? You are probably not an adult then, and you have no patience to wait a year or two or three until you can afford it, or you are a bitch dog of your girlfriend or wife. You need to tell her, I AM THE BOSS, I WILL BUY WHATEVER I WANT, YOU ARE NOT THE BOSS. There is no VST beginner defence, no VST can't afford it reasoning, you either buy the best machine, or you stick with someone worse which can never compete. Maybe you can't afford it this time, but if music is your love and you love having music equipment and that is your hobby, you can't afford this machine in the next couple of years? Even though you love music? Even though you can sell the machine on again for damn near the same value and get your money back? Buy this machine!

The only bad thing is its poor track programming features. You may not miss this feature, but you have to admit that the track programming on the 808 is worse than any other in the Roland series. The way you program a track is by pushing play, then pushing the part number to change to the next part before it hits the next bar. If you fuck up one bar, you have to start the song over from the start. Track programming is not something that you're going to want to do on an 808, unless you are really good at music and are a patient person.

i bought an rx21 on ebay. it has pretty dodgy sounds that can't really be used in anything, but it was cheap and i don't regret buying it.

I have only one piece of gear, the EMX-1.

It supports nine drum parts, which is no doubt limited, but you can get a lot out of routing them through effects- Sometimes I'll send all the drum parts through the grain shifter or a delay, and then just tweak the effects or mess with either activating or defeating the effects send for some interesting tidbits. Not to mention you can play any of them through the arpeggiator, re-pitch them, and roll them, all in realtime. You can do both step and realtime recording as well, and there are lots of good sounds in the machine to choose from.

Not classique, I know, but damn well fun.

???????: dude, the 808 sounded great until you said it was very difficult to program. i preferably won't be using midi so manually programming it is the name of the game.

how about the 909? you want to do a write up about it. is that one werth the purchase?

thanks sir

:unhappy:

  YEKKER said:

???????: dude, the 808 sounded great until you said it was very difficult to program. i preferably won't be using midi so manually programming it is the name of the game.

 

how about the 909? you want to do a write up about it. is that one werth the purchase?

 

thanks sir

Programming bars on an 808 is way too easy and pleasureable. It's great. Programming songs is very difficult. If this bugs you, then you either must find a way around it like having an external midi sequencer (and midi modified 808), or give up on the idea of owning an 808. That's my view. The Moon reckons, as far as I could tell, that most people just play the tracks live and select which bar to play live. But I guess you want full control.

I've never owned or used a 909. last year pelican from this board posted a link to www.analoguehaven.com I saw a 909 there for £500 and rushed to borrow money from my dad, he said fine cos I arranged to sell something else on ebay to pay him back, by the time the money was ready I checked the website and it was already sold. :unhappy:

From what I've read about it, it seems like it has the same great programming as the 707. What music you make on there is gonna be limited to dance kind of music. It's the most expensive machine really, and especially on ebay there are fake conmen selling fake ones for £200 that never arrive, be careful of those, they are usually chinese adverts.

You like the sounds of the 909? It's gonna cost £800 maybe. Be sure to look around and find out about if the programming is any good on it...

The tr808 is fucking great.

when the hihats are arranged in this fashion, i get a sonic orgasm

A guy in my town is selling a 606 for about 300 bucks, i feel very inclined to get i, feels like a one of a kind opportunity to get it. Do you think i should?

also, he's offering with it this doepfler midisync box for the 606. i dont use any midi except my usb midi controller, dont have any midi patchbays or anything set up for my hardware equipment (which right now is limited to a microkorg).. is it useful?

Yekker, my brother, stick with that 707 until you have it sorted inside out! It's got such a nice interface! I mean, I have a 707, 606 and a 626, and the 707 is really the easiest to program, the massive LCD screen is so wicked, like analoogie says, simply because you can see the entire pattern arrangement for each instrument. So fucking what if it's all samples, it's a blast to play with AND it has those HOT volume sliders, sliders beat knobs any day (unless it's a 303)

Derelic7 mate, I'm not sure on prices for 606's (got mine from some moron who didn't know what to do with it) but def get a midi sync box, cos if you're gonna use it you'll need to have it synced up proper due to the 606 having no real tempo indication, it has a knob for it but no numbers, so it could be 120 bpm or 122 bpm or fucking god knows what, and it's easy for it to slip out of time.

I can deffinatly recommend the Dtronics MIDI/SYNC converter you find loads of on eBay.

I love my tr606, it's simply the little brother of the tr808. Ran through a distorter it's massiv, ran through a filter with envelope follower is even better. It's also good layered with the TR707, but it needs abit more carefull programming and tweaking before you find a good cooperation between the two babes.

I think the 606 sounds sweet undistorted. Very 1982 electro boogie steez.

When I get my sync box, I'm going to use it for hats with my JoMoX doing the rest.

  死んでく said:

TR 727

 

This is pretty much the same hardware as a 707 with a different colour. The track programming is exactly the same. The sounds are "latin" influenced. They are more of a support drum sound, as you are not getting your bass drum, snare drum, and hi hats. If you specialise in acid house and already own a lot of equipment and are rich, you may feel like buying on of these to add some cheese or humour to your songs.

Cheeze or humour? What about million selling hip hop records?

Heard any baile funk yet? I think that scene will have more folks on the lookout for 727s...

  Derelic7 said:

The tr808 is fucking great.

 

when the hihats are arranged in this fashion, i get a sonic orgasm

http://www.esnips.com/doc/78045ec8-017b-4a...9d012/tr808.wav

 

A guy in my town is selling a 606 for about 300 bucks, i feel very inclined to get i, feels like a one of a kind opportunity to get it. Do you think i should?

 

also, he's offering with it this doepfler midisync box for the 606. i dont use any midi except my usb midi controller, dont have any midi patchbays or anything set up for my hardware equipment (which right now is limited to a microkorg).. is it useful?

eek, that be a bit much....

we talkin USD here?

yeah... i wouldn't do more than 200...and that'd be for a mint one...

unless things have changed substantially in a month :ermm:

great bass, killer hihats. programming is a bit tricky, but totally the shit once you get it down

  Derelic7 said:

A guy in my town is selling a 606 for about 300 bucks, i feel very inclined to get i, feels like a one of a kind opportunity to get it. Do you think i should?

Hell no!

I paid $NZ250, which is about $US185. Edge paid even less for his. There's one listed in trademe.co.nz for $250 right now.

It'd be cheaper for you to buy one from New Zealand and ship it :)

But don't do that. Shop around. Avoid buying from synth nerds who charge "reasonable" prices.

  DrHat said:

 

great bass, killer hihats. programming is a bit tricky, but totally the shit once you get it down

Editing your old beats can be a bit of a cunt, too. And there's no pattern copy function :)

get an mpc African American

wait a second, i converted the cash and its actually 416 USD..

im kind of lazy though and would rather pay this guy than have some nobody ship it from the other end of the world, theres abit of security with the whole thing.

the bastard is trying to make me bid for it now though because someone else is interested, but i'll be very conservative. i had no idea it went for this cheap. vintagesynths.com say its average price is 250 usd

  Derelic7 said:

wait a second, i converted the cash and its actually 416 USD..

 

im kind of lazy though and would rather pay this guy than have some nobody ship it from the other end of the world, theres abit of security with the whole thing.

 

the bastard is trying to make me bid for it now though because someone else is interested, but i'll be very conservative. i had no idea it went for this cheap. vintagesynths.com say its average price is 250 usd

i really really wouldn't do it if i were you.

if you insist, make sure he at least throws in the midi sync for free....and midi cables....and audio cables....and an adapter...and batteries....and oral sex....

etc!

but really, i wouldn't.

:getlost:

alright thanks for the tip.. dont think theres much chance of negotiating the price if someone else is interested, so i'll just drop it and try and get something proper shipped from ebay or something if i run into it

ladies and gentleman.....the MD16

the finest drum machine ever made

  winkle said:

ladies and gentleman.....the MD16

the finest drum machine ever made

wow, that thing sounds like it would have been an electronic music dream before the advent of homosexual technologicaloliesalalals

way to go SoS, now I want one :getlost: