circle of fifths

does anyone use this when making tracks?

i want to learn this bitch, i tryed back in highschool but dident really care much for it

Yes, plus modes.

I look at a chord wheel, so it figures it out for me.

  heliumbaboon said:

I look at a chord wheel, so it figures it out for me.

It's easy if you play guitar or bass, you just need to know the notes on the bottom 2 strings. The following are the A and, below, the low E string, with a missed fret between each horizontal number:

|1| |3| |5| |7|

|2| |4| |6| |8|

Just follow that pattern for any note/chord, follow in sequence for fifths or in reverse for fourths.

As to the minor/major malarkey - the associated minor key for any major key is just dropping three semitones/frets.

"fly me to the moon... " etc.

  earlgrey said:

  heliumbaboon said:

I look at a chord wheel, so it figures it out for me.

It's easy if you play guitar or bass, you just need to know the notes on the bottom 2 strings. The following are the A and, below, the low E string, with a missed fret between each horizontal number:

 

|1| |3| |5| |7|

|2| |4| |6| |8|

 

Just follow that pattern for any note/chord, follow in sequence for fifths or in reverse for fourths.

 

As to the minor/major malarkey - the associated minor key for any major key is just dropping three semitones/frets.

watch out, theory expert. lol.

Some great songs are simply progressions of fifths, like Jimi Hendrix's "Hey Joe", for which the chord sequence is C - G - D - A - E repeated.

mmmm music theoryyyyyy <3

yeah i don't see what's not to get with a circle of fifths, pretty simple there, the other shit is where it gets complexificutated

I put a penis in my eargina to make music.

I find movement in thirds to be more to my taste

  Kcinsu said:

I find movement in thirds to be more to my taste

Chromatic runs are always good fun, and damn easy to play.. (i.e. parts of Pink Floyd's Astronomy Domine)

Fifths are almost necessary in walking a bassline.

I never understood how to use the thing. I learned how to construct it when i took guitar lessons, all it is to me is mnemonics for something, i don't know what.

I've done more music theory than you've had hot burgers, and I never came across this Circlewang thing. Sounds like it's just an excuse not to be creative. Chill. Go with the flow. FEEL THE MUSIC. Think of Fred McGriff and Damon Albarn dressed as Janet Jackson and Luther Vandross. It takes two baby. IT TAKES TWO.

I really shoudn't drink in the mornings.

circle of fifths = unexciting, even if it is quite pleasing on the ear. also been done to absolute death for about 450 years solid. not a very electronic music progression

I wouldn't use the circle of fifths for making a track. However it is useful in various ways for doing scales as it is a more musical (and challenging) progression than chromatic/linear movements.

i don't think it's about chord progressions but about chord substitutes. and equivalent scales or modulations. mnemonics

  HYPERFUKBOT said:

mmmm music theoryyyyyy <3

 

yeah i don't see what's not to get with a circle of fifths, pretty simple there, the other shit is where it gets complexificutated

Chord scales is where it gets complicated. When you can just add in a b9 for no apparent reason other than the intervals are far away from each other and it works. And when you have the choice of b9 and #9...

put in a random note. if you like it carry on, if not start again. add another note. if it sounds good keep it, if not try another one. when you do like it keep it and then repeat again as required. sorted!

  greenbank said:

put in a random note. if you like it carry on, if not start again. add another note. if it sounds good keep it, if not try another one. when you do like it keep it and then repeat again as required. sorted!

if you know theory, you can go in directions that your ear would never have thought about, and the results can be equally good sounding, but just not what your ear would have expected. I basically completely disagree. I think your suggestion is a bad one. Yes, when it comes down to it, you need to use your ears, but I really think you also need to use your brain.

as an aside: any note can be combined with any other note(s) and any note(s) can procede or follow any note(s). HOWEVER, I there should be intent and reasons for those notes. The more theory you know, the more control you have, and the more barriers you can break, once you know they exist.

The cycle of fifths isn't so much for practical use in composition but more for learning the key signatures (the numbers of flats and sharps) and also the sequence in which the sharps or flats occur. It may help with chord movements such as the V - I progression (the strongest resolving progression) or II-V-Is, but by that point you will have had all these basics memorized.

Going one way on the cycle, you go up in perfect 4ths (which are inverted 5ths), starting with F, and these are all the keys with flats. Going the other way, up in perfect 5ths, starting with G, are all the keys with sharps.

The key of C (major) has of course no sharps and no flats and is at the top of the wheel. This key signature also applies to the relative minor which is a 6th down, A minor, and all other related modes with same key sig., such as D dorian (built of the 2nd degree), E phyrigian (built of the 3rd) and so on.

The key of F (major) has one flat, Bb. All key signatures with flats start with the Bb and go up from there in 4ths. So the sequence of flats is Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb, Cb, Fb.

The next key with flats is the key of Bb (up a 4th from F), which has Bb and Eb.

And so on with the rest:

Eb, 3 flats (Bb, Eb, Ab)

Ab, 4 flats (Bb, Eb, Ab, Db)

Db, 5 flats (Bb, Eb, Ab, Db)

Gb, 6 flats (Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb)

Cb, 7 flats (Bb, Eb, Ab, Db, Gb, Cb)

The key of G major, has one sharp, F#. The order of sharps goes up in 5ths.

F#, C#, G#, D#, A#, E#, B#.

The next key with sharps is D (up a 5th from G), with 2 flats, F# and C#.

The rest are the keys of:

A, 3 sharps

E, 4 sharps

B, 5 sharps

F#, 6 sharps

C#, 7 sharps

it has very practical applications. they may be a bit out dated in our current grammer, but impractical? not so much

yeah practical for learning your keys and sequence of 4ths and 5ths.

well fuck you too.

Haha, oh jesus.

use serialism instead. music which revolves around the random button on a calculator is much more electronic music than all this tonal bollocks.