Fake Closes vol 1.

  ComicMaster said:

  Dragon said:

Yes, the BoC set.

 

I think, after what Aphex Twin did to his unreleased material, they're too afraid of their tracks being completely disjointed, named after weird Cornish gods with long names, and panned across 8 sides of unrecycled vinyl (which contradicts with BoC's environmental aproach).

 

Wait what are your referring to with Aphex?

Drukqs. Was it worth the bump?

Are you implying Dragon, that Druqks was released due to someone threatening to release the material?

No, just that it was disjointed, and took up a lot of vinyl, which is the kind of thing BoC wouldn't want to do if they decided to release their unreleased material.

I suppose it implies that Drukqs is actually a compilation of unreleased tracks, but I did make the post 6 months ago. Meh.

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  Joyrex said:

You will never see any pre-Twoism releases on Ebay (legit ones at least) - they are in the hands of too few individuals who wouldn't sell them or make copies.

We've been through all this before. We won't ever see them because they don't exist! They would have leaked by now if they did. Most of those 'early releases' were limited to 50-100 copies according to the discography. Are we to seriously believe that up to 100 copies of any one release have been sat on for all this time? come on!

I think BoC just put them on their original web site to bolster their release discography. Apparently they took them down because they got fed up with people asking about them. As if taking them down would stop that!! I think the real reason is that they were just a bit embarrassed about their phoney discography as their popularity soared following the release of MHTRTC :laughing:

  Dogboy73 said:

  Joyrex said:

You will never see any pre-Twoism releases on Ebay (legit ones at least) - they are in the hands of too few individuals who wouldn't sell them or make copies.

We've been through all this before. We won't ever see them because they don't exist! They would have leaked by now if they did. Most of those 'early releases' were limited to 50-100 copies according to the discography. Are we to seriously believe that up to 100 copies of any one release have been sat on for all this time? come on!

 

I think BoC just put them on their original web site to bolster their release discography. Apparently they took them down because they got fed up with people asking about them. As if taking them down would stop that!! I think the real reason is that they were just a bit embarrassed about their phoney discography as their popularity soared following the release of MHTRTC :laughing:

Isn't there the 35-second clip of "Circle" from Hooper Bay though? I thought this was confirmed legit.

  plazzTT said:

Isn't there the 35-second clip of "Circle" from Hooper Bay though? I thought this was confirmed legit.

Confirmed by whom? Some bloke who has a friend of a friend, who met a bloke in the pub, who claims to be a member of the imaginary Hexagon clan cult, who also happens to have a 35 second clip of a track from an EP limited to 100 copies & claims it's the real deal?!! I'm not having any of it. It's just getting silly now. I've seen more UFO's than I have copies of the supposed original BoC releases!! With around half a dozen early releases limited to an average of 100 copies something would have leaked out by now. To my knowledge we've not even seen so much as a photograph of any of the covers! rolleyes.gif It just doesn't add up.

  Dogboy73 said:

  plazzTT said:

Isn't there the 35-second clip of "Circle" from Hooper Bay though? I thought this was confirmed legit.

Confirmed by whom? Some bloke who has a friend of a friend, who met a bloke in the pub, who claims to be a member of the imaginary Hexagon clan cult, who also happens to have a 35 second clip of a track from an EP limited to 100 copies & claims it's the real deal?!! I'm not having any of it. It's just getting silly now. I've seen more UFO's than I have copies of the supposed original BoC releases!! With around half a dozen early releases limited to an average of 100 copies something would have leaked out by now. To my knowledge we've not even seen so much as a photograph of any of the covers! rolleyes.gif It just doesn't add up.

early boardsofcanada.com site had lil 35 sec or so samplers of old tunesy releases. circle, duffy, chinook live, and some more... these absurd sound snippets have been the cause of true suffering and confusion, and are confirmed.

  all_purpose_sandpaper said:

early boardsofcanada.com site had lil 35 sec or so samplers of old tunesy releases. circle, duffy, chinook live, and some more... these absurd sound snippets have been the cause of true suffering and confusion, and are confirmed.

Confirmed by whom? I've been visitng boardsofcanda.com since MHTRTC came out. There weren't any samples on the site at that time. Anyone got these samples? In any case someone must have copies of these if they do exist. I still can't believe that, given the demand, something tangible hasn't leaked out by now. I mean what's the big secret? Have BoC ordered everyone who got a copy to keep it quiet & never divulge it to anyone else?! All sounds a bit Wicker Man to me! This conspiracy of silence amongst the chosen ones! Load of horse shit if you ask me. If it existed it would be out there by now. The truth is out there .......... I want to believe!!!

lol

  Dogboy73 said:

  all_purpose_sandpaper said:

early boardsofcanada.com site had lil 35 sec or so samplers of old tunesy releases. circle, duffy, chinook live, and some more... these absurd sound snippets have been the cause of true suffering and confusion, and are confirmed.

Confirmed by whom? I've been visitng boardsofcanda.com since MHTRTC came out.

it was on there before that.

unfortunately these are 256kbps transcodes rather than the original 32kbps .ra files but there we are. Actually I remember having this discussion with you before and I seem to remember coming to the conclusion that you were an idiot.

  Dogboy73 said:

I think BoC just put them on their original web site to bolster their release discography. Apparently they took them down because they got fed up with people asking about them. As if taking them down would stop that!! I think the real reason is that they were just a bit embarrassed about their phoney discography as their popularity soared following the release of MHTRTC :laughing:

they could be found here:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010202065800/....com/clips.html

they just did those 35 seconds clip, there's nothing else "before" twoism

  mcbpete said:

it was on there before that.

 

 

 

 

 

unfortunately these are 256kbps transcodes rather than the original 32kbps .ra files but there we are. Actually I remember having this discussion with you before and I seem to remember coming to the conclusion that you were an idiot.

Well that might turn out to be the case & If it is I'll accept your assesment & eat my words. Those samples sound authentic enough. Very BoC ........ but then so do a lot of the fakes. I'm still not convinced though. 100 copies on average & nothing more than a few 35 second samples have been revealed?! It just doesn't make sense. If they were out then we would no more about them. Something more substantial would be out there. A photo of the covers, an MP3 of at least one whole track. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.

  Dogboy73 said:

  mcbpete said:

it was on there before that.

 

 

 

 

 

unfortunately these are 256kbps transcodes rather than the original 32kbps .ra files but there we are. Actually I remember having this discussion with you before and I seem to remember coming to the conclusion that you were an idiot.

Well that might turn out to be the case & If it is I'll accept your assesment & eat my words. Those samples sound authentic enough. Very BoC ........ but then so do a lot of the fakes. I'm still not convinced though. 100 copies on average & nothing more than a few 35 second samples have been revealed?! It just doesn't make sense. If they were out then we would no more about them. Something more substantial would be out there. A photo of the covers, an MP3 of at least one whole track. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.

I agree, it's weird that there are ~500 CD's out there with these tracks that have somehow never leaked. But I think it would be weirder if what you're suggesting is true (they faked their own discography etc...)

They were out, but not released in stores for regular electronic music junkies to have. We've had a couple slips leaking BoC material, namely the alphaquest mix of roygbiv, and the old tunes collection. We also know that there was hours of material sent to chris cunningham for the telecom italia commercial which wasn't leaked. So it's gone both ways, why is it impossible for old albums to not be in circulation on the net?

I have an old review of the pre-twoism albums. Not really a full review, but it discusses the albums. Not sure who did it though http://www.scaruffi.com/vol6/boardsof.html#boc

  747Music said:

They were out, but not released in stores for regular electronic music junkies to have. We've had a couple slips leaking BoC material, namely the alphaquest mix of roygbiv, and the old tunes collection. We also know that there was hours of material sent to chris cunningham for the telecom italia commercial which wasn't leaked. So it's gone both ways, why is it impossible for old albums to not be in circulation on the net?

Not impossible I suppose but highly improbable. Let's take a supoosed early release that's limited to say 100 copies. If it were only intended for close friends & family then why get 100 copies? Maybe this was the minimum run they could get? Maybe they have a big family & a lot of close friends?! Even so it's still hard to imagine that, whoever these may have been given to, not one single person would have leaked something. Again I'd say it's possible but highly improbable. The other possibility is that, as you pointed out, these were never intended for distribution ...... but how likely is that? How many people get records/CD's pressed & then just sit on them? Why would they do that?

Also with regards to the stuff that has leaked, namely the now infamous old tapes, it's interesting that none of this stuff formed part of the original discography. If it was all BoC material why wasn't it part of the discography? If these tapes were only intended for close friends & family that could explain it ....... but hang on. As far as we are aware this was also the intention for the rest of the original ealry releases! ...... And why did BoC take down that original discography? If it makes up part of the body of work they have done then it doesn't matter how limited it was or whom it was intended for. If it s real then it's an incomplete discography & that just doesn't make sense to me.

747 makes a good point. yes, the enigma surrounding their pre-Twoism material is strange and frustrating. but it would be way more strange to simply "make up" a back catalogue. that makes no sense. how do they benefit from that? also, it implies that they're liars, which is a strong charge to make simply because you've seen no evidence of their prior releases. i will assume that they wouldn't lie unless there's some proof otherwise. seems like the fair thing to do.

if you want to be skeptical, that's fine. you are entitled. but i don't think it's fair to combat what you perceive as mere speculation with your own speculation as to what the real story is.

my own theory is that this music does exist but hasn't been released because: (a) it's really old and it doesn't meet a quality standard that they impose upon themselves for their music; and/or (b) it is full of uncleared samples and it would be too expensive to release it all.

i don't know this to be true, but it seems plausible and more likely than some of the other more outrageous theories. the simplest answer is usually the right answer, right?

I wouldn't go so far as to say that BoC are lying. Bit strong that. I was suggesting that they could have moderately fleshed out their discography to simply bulster their portfolio. A bit like the way most people do with their CV's. You just want to make it look better to whoever might want to view it. Of course if you have a genuine body of work to shout about then theirs no need to do this & if everyone knows you anyway then you obviously can't get away with it.

Anyway at the end of the day I'm probably wrong & if so I'll eat my words. But I still think it's very strange that none of this stuff has made an appearance in some form. Even a photograph of one of the covers would help convince me. But have we ever seen this? No. Those 35 second samples (posted earlier) are intriquing. But I have to say I've never seen these on the BoC website & I've been going there for a long time.

i'm imagining mike and marcus in suits and ties for their warp interviews.

Warp CEO: well, it looks like you lads have had a nice run of small releases. Any copies i can listen to?

Marcus: Errr, no. they were just small releases, you know. Friends and family mostly.

Mike: Yeah, nothing to the general public.

Warp CEO: well, that's okay. i trust you. it's hard to deny you've built a proven track record. You can start on Monday. You'll occupy these cubes here. You'll find all the midi cables you need and I'll check and see if we can't get you some new near-field monitors.

Welcome to the Warp team boys!

*chomps cigar*

  Dogboy73 said:

I wouldn't go so far as to say that BoC are lying. Bit strong that. I was suggesting that they could have moderately fleshed out their discography to simply bulster their portfolio. A bit like the way most people do with their CV's. You just want to make it look better to whoever might want to view it. Of course if you have a genuine body of work to shout about then theirs no need to do this & if everyone knows you anyway then you obviously can't get away with it.

What a brilliant tactic. I am now proudly sporting 12 proud full length electronic music records of my own making, all unconfirmed. Working on album art now. Many of the tracks were composed on my ARP 2600, which I do not own.

  all_purpose_sandpaper said:

What a brilliant tactic. I am now proudly sporting 12 proud full length electronic music records of my own making, all unconfirmed. Working on album art now. Many of the tracks were composed on my ARP 2600, which I do not own.

Similar thing here. I'm on my 3rd release, all limited to 100 copies for close family & friends only. I'm all set to be the next big thing in electronic music (my stuff is shit hot). In the event I do make it big & get a deal with WARP or the like then then all my friends & family have promised never to divulge any of the current 3 releases no matter how much they will end up being worth (£200 a piece minimum I reckon). And you know what? I believe them. They are not to divulge so much as a photogrpah of themselves holding the damn things. And no 35 second samples either so don't even bother writing to me at my secret Hexagon Turqoise bunker complex asking for any! Watch this space ............ can you see this happening? No, me neither. Not to BoC or anyone else!!

I don't believe this music exists either, Mike and Marcus are big fat liars.

If, however they want to prove me wrong they could email me all the tracks.

  The CIA said:

I don't believe this music exists either, Mike and Marcus are big fat liars.

If, however they want to prove me wrong they could email me all the tracks.

Or re-release them on WARP records in some sort of lavish limited edition box set of the early releases. It's been rumoured before. Given the demand for a re-release of early works why would they not do it? Are they just taking the piss? They've had 3 full album releases on WARP records & they've done f**k all else of their own over the last couple of years. Seems to me like as good a time as any for an anthology of early works. And none have been so anticipated as BoC.

yeah, they should really release the boxset, even aphex is going to release a boxset of early works :laughing: