Synthesis question

What would be a more intersting and better route to go, Tassman 4 Synthesis Studio or Absynth 4?

Nord Modular.

  ten fingers ten toes said:

Nord Modular.

Hasn't Autechre already done that though?

There is absolutely only one way to use the Nord Modular and that is exactly how Autechre used it, in fact, they have stopped selling the product as the "Nord Modular" and have instead called it "The Autechre Box".

  ten fingers ten toes said:

There is absolutely only one way to use the Nord Modular and that is exactly how Autechre used it, in fact, they have stopped selling the product as the "Nord Modular" and have instead called it "The Autechre Box".

got ya;) the Nord Modular is too much money for me atm anyway.

You can get a used Nord Modular G1 for the same price you'd pay for Absynth.

  ten fingers ten toes said:

You can get a used Nord Modular G1 for the same price you'd pay for Absynth.

right on.

I like both. I am currently using Tassman quite a bit.

  thanks robert moses said:

I like both. I am currently using Tassman quite a bit.

Can you get interesting sounds out of it? What I mean is can you get sounds from it outside of the analog emulation spectrum?

its hard to compare them really... very different beasts.

what kind of synth are you looking for? what kind of sounds do you want to make, etc?

I just want a good synth that can offer complex sound design but I don't want to mess around with programming. I had a friend who used to work with CSound and he would come up with wicked sounds but the programming involved looked really boring. So I'm not interested in Max/MSP, Supercollder, Reaktor, or CSound. I have about 300 dollars to spend.

haha, yeah, csound isn't the most fun way to do synthesis.

tassman does require a bit of "programming" in a sense... as its modular, and youll need to understand how to connect modules etc. i think it is a little more traditional than absynth... you will be able to have a good deal of flexibility, but the overall type of sounds you can make may be limited.

absynth definitely allows for very flexible crazyness, but my own personal grievance, is that it can be sometimes a lot of effort to make a simple, traditional synth sound... ironically. so if you are using this as your workhorse, you may come across that too.

just my thoughts.

I find anymore that it's easier for me to create standard basic synth sounds with a modular because I don't have to spend the time dealing with someone's stupid interface.

There are some good FM, FOF, and Physical Modeling sound examples up at the Tassman site as well transfer, if you want an idea of the more unique things it can do.

same here.

the nord modular is always a great recommendation (I own 2 G2s, so youll never hear me NOT recommend it... the only reason I never got a V1 modular, was I didnt have money at the time, and by the time I did, the g2 was out). there is more of a learning curve, as it is also modular, and youll need to understand some basic principles...

thats what I always struggle with, when recommending synths to beginners... some thing more simple that they can wrap their head around, get results with, and learn the fundamentals... or something more complex that takes more effort, but gives better results in the end...

I dont know.

Absyth seems kinda cheap, Tassman 4 seems solid but this may just be me getting tricked by marketing. I'd like a synth where people, who hear my music, aren't like "oh I know that sound, thats Absynth". Maybe I'm asking for too much.

You can do that with anything, you just have to work with it for long enough to get a good feel for it.

Kraftwerk's entire "Minimum/Maximum" tour was done with Arturia stuff on laptops and nobody really questions that, for instance. Tons of other examples, its really just a matter of getting to know the software inside out and then being able to focus it specifically to the sound you're envisioning.

well to be fair, arturias stuff is meant to sound like classic synths

  ten fingers ten toes said:

You can do that with anything, you just have to work with it for long enough to get a good feel for it.

 

Kraftwerk's entire "Minimum/Maximum" tour was done with Arturia stuff on laptops and nobody really questions that, for instance. Tons of other examples, its really just a matter of getting to know the software inside out and then being able to focus it specifically to the sound you're envisioning.

yeah good advice. I was thinking about getting an Arturia Arp but I think I want something that can go beyong analog emulation.

have you looked into massive? it seems to be on the boarder of analog emulation, and digital

  transfer said:

Absyth seems kinda cheap, Tassman 4 seems solid but this may just be me getting tricked by marketing. I'd like a synth where people, who hear my music, aren't like "oh I know that sound, thats Absynth". Maybe I'm asking for too much.

You can make interesting sounds with both of those plug-ins, but that usually involves "really boring programming". Unfortunately, if you don't want to use presets, then you'll have to create patches on your own. I'd say that you download demos versions of both of those plug-ins to see which interface you're most comfortable with. I tried Tassman a couple years ago, but wasn't comfortable with the interface. It wasn't bad cause you use could use it as an instrument or an effect, but I just didn't like using it. I've been using Surge a lot lately, so try that. (if you haven't already)

  mrx said:

  transfer said:

Absyth seems kinda cheap, Tassman 4 seems solid but this may just be me getting tricked by marketing. I'd like a synth where people, who hear my music, aren't like "oh I know that sound, thats Absynth". Maybe I'm asking for too much.

You can make interesting sounds with both of those plug-ins, but that usually involves "really boring programming". Unfortunately, if you don't want to use presets, then you'll have to create patches on your own. I'd say that you download demos versions of both of those plug-ins to see which interface you're most comfortable with. I tried Tassman a couple years ago, but wasn't comfortable with the interface. It wasn't bad cause you use could use it as an instrument or an effect, but I just didn't like using it. I've been using Surge a lot lately, so try that. (if you haven't already)

Who makes Surge?

  Kcinsu said:

have you looked into massive? it seems to be on the boarder of analog emulation, and digital

yeah I looked into that, and it seems simpler then Absynth.

surge is made by http://www.vemberaudio.se/

after reading this thread at other forum http://www.em411.com/forum/5164/1//about_Tassman_.html i`m gonna download the demo myself...

  transfer said:

  Kcinsu said:

have you looked into massive? it seems to be on the boarder of analog emulation, and digital

 

yeah I looked into that, and it seems simpler then Absynth.

There's quite a bit of routing capabilities in it, not quite as full as a full on modular deal like Tassman or something, but I'm strugglign to figure out what it is you want here. If you want it to be easy to use it's not going to get any more complex than Absynth or Massive, and if you want it to have insane infinite sound warping possibilities, it's going to have to be modular and complex and thus require quite a bit of learning.

I hope Massive isn't just Reason 4 with Native Instruments written on it, to make it cool.