fold4,wrap5 - how it's done DISCUSSION/ARGUMENTS THREAD

fold4 booty clap.

no it's not, you just keep slowing down, unless you know where the beat doubles.

  Enter a new display name said:

I listened to 777 again. It is indeed in 7/8 time signature, but really fast.

how fast roughly? i been trying to find the pulse of 777's meter for ages, everytime i listen to it. not managed it yet!!!

I love the live version of Blifil with the rapping sample in it, cos it makes it easier to decipher the beat and hear the triplets.

CapIV now.

I think it just keeps getting faster and faster and it creates almost the same melody as the beginning as at the end, yet it is much faster. I don't know. I'm tired now.

  Cosmic Jet Robot said:

CapIV now.

 

 

I think it just keeps getting faster and faster and it creates almost the same melody as the beginning as at the end, yet it is much faster. I don't know. I'm tired now.

Yeah, it's another track by Autechre that changes BPM but still flows smoothly.

4,000th post by the way, juss sayin'.

  Rook said:

the entire song is in 7/8

 

It is not unlike them to do a melody and a beat in different time signatures though. Slip for instance. The melody is in like 29/8 or something if I remember correctly, while the beat is in 4/4.

I think you're right. I still don't believe it but I think you're right. Rook, you should just write a chart on autechre songs and their time sigs.

, theres no real reason why 7/7 couldnt exist....

Good point, I think it would just end up as a type of triplet/septuplet thing. However 777 is in 7/8.

  freefall said:

  Enter a new display name said:

I listened to 777 again. It is indeed in 7/8 time signature, but really fast.

 

how fast roughly? i been trying to find the pulse of 777's meter for ages, everytime i listen to it. not managed it yet!!!

254 bpm if an 8th note is a beat

just play the asterisks with one hand

*.*.*.*.*.*.*.
D--DX-D---DX--

and the D and X as bass and snare

nah, it's much slower than that. It's actually in 7/4, considering the main phrases repeat on the quarter and not the eighth. I've got around 122~124 with it.

yeah, it's all relative, I just looked at how I had it beatmapped in ableton and doubled that number cuz I was thinking about 8th notes.

  messiaen said:

, theres no real reason why 7/7 couldnt exist....

well, that's technically true, but it would be pretty pointless.

lots of non-western music features odd numbers on the bottom of the timesig divisor

gamelan, some indian modes, even some jewish music. and it's not always syncopated or triplets either, sometimes there's a rigid adherence to stressing particular notes or beats in the rhythm

  kaini said:

lots of non-western music features odd numbers on the bottom of the timesig divisor

 

gamelan, some indian modes, even some jewish music. and it's not always syncopated or triplets either, sometimes there's a rigid adherence to stressing particular notes or beats in the rhythm

That would be the top number. You cannot have an odd number on the bottom of a time signature. Period.

it is possible, but not very useful, unless as a juxtaposition.

from wikipedia:

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"Irrational" meters

These are time signatures which have a denominator which is not a power of two (1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, etc.). These are used to express the division of a whole note (semibreve) into equal parts just as ordinary signatures do. For example, where 4/4 implies a bar construction of four quarter-parts of a whole note (i.e., four quarter notes), 4/3 implies a bar construction of four third-parts of it. These signatures are only of utility when juxtaposed with other signatures with varying denominators; a piece written entirely in 4/3, say, could be more legibly written out in 4/4.

It is arguable whether the use of these signatures makes metric relationships clearer or more obscure to the musician; it is always possible to write a passage using non-"irrational" signatures by specifying a relationship between some note length in the previous bar and some other in the succeeding one.

  Chogg said:

  kaini said:

lots of non-western music features odd numbers on the bottom of the timesig divisor

 

gamelan, some indian modes, even some jewish music. and it's not always syncopated or triplets either, sometimes there's a rigid adherence to stressing particular notes or beats in the rhythm

 

That would be the top number. You cannot have an odd number on the bottom of a time signature. Period.

incorrect.

e.g.

A Sîrba or Sârba (meaning "Serbian [dance]" in Romanian) is a Romanian dance normally played in 2/3 or 2/4 time. It can be danced in a circle, line, or couple formations and was historically popular not only among Romanians, but also Ukrainians, Hungarians, East European Jews, and the Poles of the Tatra Mountains. It is fast-paced and triplets are usually emphasized in the melody.

The sîrba is still popular in Romanian traditional music and in Klezmer music.

  kaini said:

  Chogg said:

  kaini said:

lots of non-western music features odd numbers on the bottom of the timesig divisor

 

gamelan, some indian modes, even some jewish music. and it's not always syncopated or triplets either, sometimes there's a rigid adherence to stressing particular notes or beats in the rhythm

 

That would be the top number. You cannot have an odd number on the bottom of a time signature. Period.

 

incorrect.

 

e.g.

 

A Sîrba or Sârba (meaning "Serbian [dance]" in Romanian) is a Romanian dance normally played in 2/3 or 2/4 time. It can be danced in a circle, line, or couple formations and was historically popular not only among Romanians, but also Ukrainians, Hungarians, East European Jews, and the Poles of the Tatra Mountains. It is fast-paced and triplets are usually emphasized in the melody.

 

The sîrba is still popular in Romanian traditional music and in Klezmer music.

this may be true, but how can you tell the difference between 2/3 and 2/4 if the whole piece is in that timing? like the wikipedia article said, it's only useful if used as a juxtaposition, ie. if the piece is originally in 4/4 then switches to 2/3 or 4/5 etc. otherwise the only thing that is different is the note length, the bottom number in a time signature doesn't define where the accents are in a bar.

now someone do gantz graf

  the televisor said:

now someone do gantz graf

gantz graf is in straight 4/4. i can't reproduce it in buzz but it's definitely in 4/4.

Yeah so I think I figured out what the title means. It doesn't have anything to do with the tempo/beat trick. Which is kind of hilarious.

well?

this better not be some joke about calzone pizza from Pizzeria Autechre.

If my hunch is right, that stuff that sounds like FM isn't FM.

https://cycling74.com/docs/max5/refpages/msp-ref/pong~.html

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pong~ either folds or wraps its input within the range of a low value and a high value

I ran a sine wave into this and it really sounded like FM. I tried [cycle~] -> [pong~ 0 4] -> [pong~ 1 5] -> [/ 5]. If you multiply the cycle's amplitude by more than 1 before the first pong~, you can get wavefolding sounds pretty similar to FM.

This is similar to how simple octavers work, they just wrap the negative part of the wave upward. It's cool how you can not only adjust the low/high values to alter the resulting frequencies, but you could also change the waveform.