Oh great EKTs of WATMM

  ezkerraldean said:

  mrx said:

first, you should download a bunch of daws (fruity loops, renoise, cubase, abelton live, etc...) and find out which environment suits you.

 

NOOOOOOOO!!!!

 

fuck overpriced overrated shitty software. Be a hardware man. it's way way more fun and rewarding. and then your music won't be part of the 99% that all sounds exactly the same.

the medium you compose on has absolutely nothing to do with musics sounding the same. in fact software is infinitely more capable of letting you compose exactly what is in your head than hardware, which often has limitations. if the music in your head is shit, your music in a hard format will be shit. if you can imagine music that is better than everything else, then you will be fine. sitting there with no ideas and just tapping in data on a computer/piece of hardware until you think it sounds good enough to call it your own music is what results in everything sounding the same.

dont get hardware.. start with reason or ableton. 90% of hardware people dont know what they is on about, their music sucks and half of them don't even got the hardware equipment they's plugging. it's called the analogue religion.

if 2 years from now, you think "i won't get the sound i want with softsynths", then scope the hardware terrain. but a good mic is way more useful than a microkorg.

  ten fingers ten toes said:

Then you should route all of it into a modular you don't know how to use and can't properly pronounce. Cwejman or Buchla is best.

lol

  ezkerraldean said:

  mrx said:

first, you should download a bunch of daws (fruity loops, renoise, cubase, abelton live, etc...) and find out which environment suits you.

 

NOOOOOOOO!!!!

 

fuck overpriced overrated shitty software. Be a hardware man. it's way way more fun and rewarding. and then your music won't be part of the 99% that all sounds exactly the same.

he's just starting out!!! It's not wise to spend $$$ on something that you might not end up enjoy doing. I agree that twisting knobs is much more intuitive and fun than clicking n' dragging knobs, but it won't make your music stand out or make it unique.

Most important thing to remember is making music is like cooking: Even if you have the best damn ingredients on the planet, it takes practice and technique to create something other people are going to want to consume.

i want to consume cheese on toast, and i have the best cheese and the best bread in the world. practice involved = put cheese on bread and put under heat. analargy destroyed.

although i completely hear you

Well if you want to consume simpleton food then what chef you choose doesn't really matter...If I wanted a rotten banana covered in Tabasco sauce I'd listen to the Venga Boys.

keep up

only idiots use the software

its all about the hardware

havent you heard

and dont bother with the digital hardware crap

it has to be the analogue hardware

in fact it has to be the roland analogue hardware

and make sure that whatever you buy is way way overpriced

and you have to record your electronic music music songs onto the tape

so take your richard d james album and drukqs cd and smash them into a hundred million pieces

cause if it doesnt sound like a lazy analord or ceephax rip off

then its the fucking rubbish

  Drahken said:

Well if you want to consume simpleton food then what chef you choose doesn't really matter...If I wanted a rotten banana covered in Tabasco sauce I'd listen to the Venga Boys.

who said simpleton is bad?

techno?

house?

reich?

glass?

dubstep?

If you want to be an electronic music hendrix, I think the best thing to do is to throw away your car and walk/train everywhere. get a walkman and make mixtapes for your walks. try and make the best mixtapes-- nothing fancy, don't sweat beat matching or crossfades (unless you're already a dj) just sweet track selections that make your walk/train rides as transcendental as possible.

Walk to all the pawn shops and find any gear that's cheap and looks like something you'd want to use. Don't go broke or endanger your finances, don't fetishize gear based on rumors-- touch and see things in person and just go with your gut. Then follow through-- don't google shit all day finding out about other pieces of gear you didn't get, sit and develop a real relationship with what you've got. Look at these cheap pieces of gear that you found and wanted as being meant for you. Play around with the gear and make tracks if you want, but don't even think about labels or releases yet. Make mixtapes for your friends and slip one or two of your own tunes on them, but keep yr tracks close for now.

Do all that for at least a year and then start taking your walkman to bars, parties, social events. Keep yr headphones on and don't let anybody trick you into taking them off. Spend another year mastering the art of this kind of mixtape. Keep playing with yr gear at home, keep slipping yr own tracks into mixes you make for your friends, remember that any piece of gear is fine and a piece that you actually have is even better, never get a car, and you'll be OK.

  pcock said:

  Drahken said:

Well if you want to consume simpleton food then what chef you choose doesn't really matter...If I wanted a rotten banana covered in Tabasco sauce I'd listen to the Venga Boys.

 

who said simpleton is bad?

 

techno?

house?

reich?

glass?

dubstep?

who said techno is simpleton?

  LUDD said:

  pcock said:

  Drahken said:

Well if you want to consume simpleton food then what chef you choose doesn't really matter...If I wanted a rotten banana covered in Tabasco sauce I'd listen to the Venga Boys.

 

who said simpleton is bad?

 

techno?

house?

reich?

glass?

dubstep?

 

 

who said techno is simpleton?

pcock said it

quite rightly so.

  goodwillsidis said:

If you want to be an electronic music hendrix, I think the best thing to do is to throw away your car and walk/train everywhere. get a walkman and make mixtapes for your walks. try and make the best mixtapes-- nothing fancy, don't sweat beat matching or crossfades (unless you're already a dj) just sweet track selections that make your walk/train rides as transcendental as possible.

 

Walk to all the pawn shops and find any gear that's cheap and looks like something you'd want to use. Don't go broke or endanger your finances, don't fetishize gear based on rumors-- touch and see things in person and just go with your gut. Then follow through-- don't google shit all day finding out about other pieces of gear you didn't get, sit and develop a real relationship with what you've got. Look at these cheap pieces of gear that you found and wanted as being meant for you. Play around with the gear and make tracks if you want, but don't even think about labels or releases yet. Make mixtapes for your friends and slip one or two of your own tunes on them, but keep yr tracks close for now.

 

Do all that for at least a year and then start taking your walkman to bars, parties, social events. Keep yr headphones on and don't let anybody trick you into taking them off. Spend another year mastering the art of this kind of mixtape. Keep playing with yr gear at home, keep slipping yr own tracks into mixes you make for your friends, remember that any piece of gear is fine and a piece that you actually have is even better, never get a car, and you'll be OK.

this shall be my new life philosophy

when making music, it is important to remember you like making music, and the results are irrelevant.

sometimes i like to jam or compose after dancing. the rhythms seem to kick around my limbs for an hour or two afterwards.

also after walking, particularly if things started to synchronized during the walk.

Just fuck around and bang on shit and run with it. Don't be disappointed if you try to realize something in your head and it comes out differently. Fuck around until it sounds good to you. If you're fucking around and you get bored with it or can't make it sound good, scrap it, move on. If you make something and you like it, even if it sounds noobish, that's great. Always be in awe of the creation, just because it's yours. Because it didn't exist before. Be amazed that you made that one cool-sounding kick, or whatever. Do it for yourself. Don't do it for anyone else. Don't try to impress anyone. Don't even share it with anyone else, until you've been at it for a good year.

By then, you'll suddenly realize that you have style and skills.

software vs. hardware fight = boring, pointless wankfest. Use whatever you have. I made my first tracks with soundfonts and Windows wave recorder, or whatever. Stock shit for any computer. I was like "oh, neat, I have everything I need to, like, make music. I'm gonna try it." And I'm still going.

And don't shy away from trying to rip off your favorite artists. It's a good way to learn. Just realize that the more skilled you become at this, the more boring and derivative you'll get. I've tried to rip off Autechre many times, and it turns out quite well just because I suck ass and can't do it. It ends up being original. I adhere pretty strongly to the "fuck around until it sounds good" philosophy though. I may start out trying to rip something off, but I'll get distracted by something and fuck around until it's entirely different, which is probably a good thing.

get some software (all the big boys have demos downloads available) and a controller (padKontrol, UC33e, Remote 25SL)

get some tuturials from teh net for the software you decide to try (ableton comes with some excellent lessons built in)

mess around

formulate your own sound or rip off someone elses

spend years doing it

enjoy

  mrx said:

he's just starting out!!! It's not wise to spend $$ on something that you might not end up enjoy doing. I agree that twisting knobs is much more intuitive and fun than clicking n' dragging knobs, but it won't make your music stand out or make it unique.

aaaaah but therein lies the answer. you don't have to spend shit loads, on software or hardware. go round carboot sales and Cash Converters. buy all the cheap stuff. makes it more of a challenge and more fun, making decent music from a big pile of shit instruments that cost you a tenner overall. but often you find people overlook such instruments.

i once nicked a signal generator from my old high school physics department. not even an intentional instrument, but you could hook it up to speakers and pedals and play a tune with the dials. shit like that. be imaginative innit.

it's true, techno is like cheese on toast - it needs good cheese and bread otherwise it'll suck.. but you have to at least make your own cheese. whereas you just buy good cheese..

  ezkerraldean said:

  mrx said:

first, you should download a bunch of daws (fruity loops, renoise, cubase, abelton live, etc...) and find out which environment suits you.

 

NOOOOOOOO!!!!

 

fuck overpriced overrated shitty software. Be a hardware man. it's way way more fun and rewarding. and then your music won't be part of the 99% that all sounds exactly the same.

I agree to a certain extent. Software is undeniably good when sequencing stuff you have produced on external hardware. Like you said though, I find it is much more rewarding when using hardware, definitely.

you should just buy a bunch of electribes and hook them up together

  YEK said:

you should just buy a bunch of electribes and hook them up together

does it save as .s3m?

  YEK said:

you should just buy a bunch of electribes and hook them up together

i started out with an electribe er-1. It's good, because although it's one of the cheapest little boxes out there, you learn a lot when starting out about drum/pattern sequencing and editing/tweaking to your liking. A good piece of equipment to begin with. The only tip I could recommend before even perhaps writing your own material is to maybe make mixtapes like somebody has already said in this thread. Mix up your favourite tracks. In mixing first, you can learn about software capabilities at the same time, and sequencing too. Up to you how you play it though, there is no actual process to go by I believe, you could just take hints and tips from people on the matter and go with what you like.

  goodwillsidis said:

  YEK said:

you should just buy a bunch of electribes and hook them up together

 

does it save as .s3m?

you need the amiga upgrade for that

penis farts to start my son.