Juno 106 vs JX3P & PG200

lol AW, pissing you of is just the awesome side effect.

I mention it because people get brainwashed into this thinking that anything other than a 30 year old borderline antique will sound good, and then just go looking on ebay for these crazy ass insane niche market things that will never accomplish what all they need it to do, assuming they still even work properly! In fact, in just this thread the OP said "hey I wanted a Nord Modular but its too expensive", perhaps not realizing that G1 Nord Modulars cost less than these niche Rolands.

I mention the Nord instead of Reaktor/Max etc, both because while yes they are all digital, you still don't know what math the Nord is using for its osc's/filters etc, and also because typically people who are looking to spend too much money on a questionable piece of 35 year old Roland kit want some sort of tactile interface to be included, and will not want to spend an hour or two setting up a nice control surface to go with something. It also makes taking a hundred programs with you on the road easier than packing up a laptop anyhow.

Any I consider it something of a public service, a hobby, and my prerogative in general. If people are going to be influenced by the masses of brainwashed analogue zombies, they deserve to at least get something of a counterpoint, especially from someone who owns both analogue and digital synths!

I've been looking for a G1 and havn't found any for sale yet, only the G2 and G3's which are out of my price range.

I would rather have a keyboard over a rack any day though

Oddly none on ebay at the moment but they pop up all the time.

well I found someone selling a Nord lead for £300 so I think I am very tempted to buy that

A Nord Lead for 300 quid? Nord Lead 3? I dunno, I would hold out for a Modular personally.

well it said nord lead, so which one I don't know, i've e-mailed to ask if it's still for sale and then i'll ask which model it is

Well, even still, youre talking about a limited prepatch NL3 vs the boundless Modular. I used to own a NL2 and they sound nice I suppose but really it's not one bit as powerful as the Modulars.

  ten fingers ten toes said:

lol AW, pissing you of is just the awesome side effect.

 

I mention it because people get brainwashed into this thinking that anything other than a 30 year old borderline antique will sound good, and then just go looking on ebay for these crazy ass insane niche market things that will never accomplish what all they need it to do, assuming they still even work properly! In fact, in just this thread the OP said "hey I wanted a Nord Modular but its too expensive", perhaps not realizing that G1 Nord Modulars cost less than these niche Rolands.

 

I mention the Nord instead of Reaktor/Max etc, both because while yes they are all digital, you still don't know what math the Nord is using for its osc's/filters etc, and also because typically people who are looking to spend too much money on a questionable piece of 35 year old Roland kit want some sort of tactile interface to be included, and will not want to spend an hour or two setting up a nice control surface to go with something. It also makes taking a hundred programs with you on the road easier than packing up a laptop anyhow.

 

Any I consider it something of a public service, a hobby, and my prerogative in general. If people are going to be influenced by the masses of brainwashed analogue zombies, they deserve to at least get something of a counterpoint, especially from someone who owns both analogue and digital synths!

That's right bro, everyone else is stupid and needs to be enlightened by you. You just keep on thinking that...

a nord is fine for a fling

but a juno 6 is for life

:embrassed:

  LUDD said:

a nord is fine for a fling

but a juno 6 is for life

:embrassed:

Yeah but it's a 106 vs a JX3P. I have a MKS7 which = 3 106s, plus an Alpha Juno, but I still reckon oscillator sync is pretty electronic music. Be good if we knew what other synths the OP has, and what kind of music he wants to make.

Also, the JX3P looks EXACTLY like the A-Team van

  analogue wings said:

  ten fingers ten toes said:

lol AW, pissing you of is just the awesome side effect.

 

I mention it because people get brainwashed into this thinking that anything other than a 30 year old borderline antique will sound good, and then just go looking on ebay for these crazy ass insane niche market things that will never accomplish what all they need it to do, assuming they still even work properly! In fact, in just this thread the OP said "hey I wanted a Nord Modular but its too expensive", perhaps not realizing that G1 Nord Modulars cost less than these niche Rolands.

 

I mention the Nord instead of Reaktor/Max etc, both because while yes they are all digital, you still don't know what math the Nord is using for its osc's/filters etc, and also because typically people who are looking to spend too much money on a questionable piece of 35 year old Roland kit want some sort of tactile interface to be included, and will not want to spend an hour or two setting up a nice control surface to go with something. It also makes taking a hundred programs with you on the road easier than packing up a laptop anyhow.

 

Any I consider it something of a public service, a hobby, and my prerogative in general. If people are going to be influenced by the masses of brainwashed analogue zombies, they deserve to at least get something of a counterpoint, especially from someone who owns both analogue and digital synths!

 

That's right bro, everyone else is stupid and needs to be enlightened by you. You just keep on thinking that...

Yes because nobody else here has ever recommended anything to anyone. And anyone who does must do so because they think everyone else is stupid and needs to be enlightened.

  ten fingers ten toes said:

Yes because nobody else here has ever recommended anything to anyone. And anyone who does must do so because they think everyone else is stupid and needs to be enlightened.

You have to admit that you're tone and message are a bit, shall we say, "didactic." It's like someone asking whether it'd be better to use a shovel or a trowel to dig up their flowerbed, and you coming along and pointing out how many cubic feet of soil you can move with a front loader.

Not everyone gives a shit about limitless possibilities. I've had both a Nord Modular and a Nord Lead, but I kept the Lead. Limitations be damned. Believe it or not, a lot of people have no interest patching together unit generators in some editing software for hours on end.

This thread exists because our dear friend was having a hard time deciding between two similar and relatively straightforward subtractive synths. If you think that the Nord Modular is a good substitute for a Juno, then you obviously don't understand half as much about synths as you seem to think you do.

My point was just to offer an alternative that often doesn't get considered because people get inundated with analogue evangelists whenever they ask for advice. I think the #1 "first synth" recommendation around here is an SH-101 for fucks sake.

You don't have to program anything to get lots out of the NM either, the patch archives have something like 40,000 user patches that cover a ton of ground, you could spend your life just exploring those!

  analogue wings said:

  LUDD said:

a nord is fine for a fling

but a juno 6 is for life

:embrassed:

 

Yeah but it's a 106 vs a JX3P. I have a MKS7 which = 3 106s, plus an Alpha Juno, but I still reckon oscillator sync is pretty electronic music. Be good if we knew what other synths the OP has, and what kind of music he wants to make.

 

Also, the JX3P looks EXACTLY like the A-Team van

Right now all in my inventory is: Roland TR505, Korg Poly 800 and some massive fuck Roland (FP4) and a Casio MT210.

Im making more rock based electronic stuff, but I really want to play around with acid and stuff, i'm just really making bits here and there.

Oh and I could add another option being the Juno 6 which I have seen at some good prices recently

  hellomynameis said:

Right now all in my inventory is: Roland TR505, Korg Poly 800 and some massive fuck Roland (FP4) and a Casio MT210.

 

Im making more rock based electronic stuff, but I really want to play around with acid and stuff, i'm just really making bits here and there.

 

Oh and I could add another option being the Juno 6 which I have seen at some good prices recently

OK, well with the Poly 800 you're already in similar sonic territory to a Juno and a JX3P. You might want to think of either synth as an "upgrade" rather than supplement to the Poly 800 as it'll give you knobs and sliders, so even though it's a very similar architecture, you'll get a more immediate and maybe a more satisfying experience of using it.

You might be able to achieve the same thing by plugging a knob box into the Poly 800 but I know dick about whether it accepts sysex in that way.

All 3 synths probably have about an equal chance of making Acid bass, with maybe a slight edge to the Juno. All 3 will do you nice pads for acid styles.

I'm not sure how trad your rock gets, but Junos do do wicked organs FWIW

Well I like adding in piano, elec pianos and what not or whatever sounds 'nice' lol. I've heard the poly 800 does support sysex but I need to replace the rack version ROM into the poly 800 as this only has basic midi.

I am also thinking of doing something rather funky as my next track, been looking at a lot of funk playing styles lol. The reason I'm going for an analogue synth is to get very different sounds rather than my sampled sounds on my Roland, whilst they sound excellent I do think that I would definitely like to add synthesis in the mix.

Also I am planning on doing the moog slayer mod to my poly 800 as soon as i've ordered the parts.

Hopefully I should be getting a Juno 6 right now, because I just saw a wicked deal on one recently and I'm trying to the coax the person into not selling it on ebay lol

the poly-800 is totally different, it's not really polyphonic, more paraphonic, it's only got 1 VCF for all the voices. the sysex ability is only for MK2 and it's not even realtime. really, poly-800 can't be compared to jx-3p or juno-106. there's a cool poly-800 custom firmware coming out right as we speak, so things might change. you'll need to change the eprom chip though.

juno-6 doesn't have midi, nor roland's proprietary dcb (like juno-60 does). so there's no way of controlling it externally.

on topic - i think juno-106 is just simply a better synth than jx-3p. maybe i never experienced the jx-3p like i should because i don't have the pg-200 but i just find it awkward to work with. maybe, if i had the programmer AND the cpu upgrade (gives you full midi and capability to use the programmer at the same time as midi), the jx-3p would make me happy.

pianos are actually a bit nicer on the jx-3p than on juno-106. hmm... i should really get that pg-200 and give the jx-3p another run. but they're so fuckin expensive!

  hellomynameis said:

Well I like adding in piano, elec pianos and what not or whatever sounds 'nice' lol. I've heard the poly 800 does support sysex but I need to replace the rack version ROM into the poly 800 as this only has basic midi.

 

I am also thinking of doing something rather funky as my next track, been looking at a lot of funk playing styles lol. The reason I'm going for an analogue synth is to get very different sounds rather than my sampled sounds on my Roland, whilst they sound excellent I do think that I would definitely like to add synthesis in the mix.

 

Also I am planning on doing the moog slayer mod to my poly 800 as soon as i've ordered the parts.

 

Hopefully I should be getting a Juno 6 right now, because I just saw a wicked deal on one recently and I'm trying to the coax the person into not selling it on ebay lol

Ok, so we have learned that the Poly800 cant be hooked up to hardware knobs and therefore suXors (lol, jk).

If you want to do funky piano / e piano /organ / analogue, I would firstly suggest something that responds to velocity. I don't think any of the Roland keyboards we are talking about transmit velocity, however the MKS-30 (rackmount JX3P) and MKS-7 (rackmount Juno 106 w multitimbrality but w/o patch storage) both receive velocity. The Alpha Juno series will do velocity in either the keyboard OR the rack versions, but they have a different vibe to the earlier Junos.

You understand the technical limitations of the Juno 6, right?

Yeah I do understand, I dont need anything expressive as i've already got a massive roland FP4 stage piano for all my funky needs, I want to experiment more with synths and just have them available. I'm moving more to electronic from more traditional styles.

Sounds more and more like a jx3p is the way to go lol

there are far too many synths to choose from these days lol

  hellomynameis said:

Yeah I do understand, I dont need anything expressive as i've already got a massive roland FP4 stage piano for all my funky needs, I

So basically, you've got the mother of all controller keyboards. It might suit your style to add one of the modules I mentioned and play it with the FP4. Add something like a Behringer BCR2000 for real time tweaking and you're all good.

Also, modules cost way less than their full keyboard equivalents (no bandwagon jumping poser indie kids jacking up the price). Why pay extra for a shitty non-velocity, non-aftertouch, non-weighted action keyboard when you already have a really good piano?

The MKS30 has a pretty good reputation. Not least because it has velocity (unlike the JX3P) and you can tweak it's params and play it via MIDI at the same time.

With an MKS-7, you could do a split on the FP4 and play bass, chords and leads multitimbrally, all with velocity response.

well, tbh, jx-3p does seem a bit more electronic music with the more complex architecture (still quite elementary), while the juno-106 is more the "oldschool sound" one. the 106/60/6 is also THE roland poly archetype sound, you know what you're getting if you decide for it, the sound has been so omnipresent through the past 20 years. it's the juno.

if we're allowed to recommend a synth in the similar pricerange, go for a PolySix. maybe even a Trident if you get a good deal. i have a polysix and it's much more versatile than both 106 and 3p. plus it has VCOs.

  kokoon said:

well, tbh, jx-3p does seem a bit more electronic music with the more complex architecture (still quite elementary), while the juno-106 is more the "oldschool sound" one. the 106/60/6 is also THE roland poly archetype sound, you know what you're getting if you decide for it, the sound has been so omnipresent through the past 20 years. it's the juno.

 

if we're allowed to recommend a synth in the similar pricerange, go for a PolySix. maybe even a Trident if you get a good deal. i have a polysix and it's much more versatile than both 106 and 3p. plus it has VCOs.

I have a Poly61 which roolzors. Hopelessly limited range of sounds for a dual dco box, but within that limited range is much gold. It's like the 303 of polysynths. Filter is SOOO fucking gritty and brassy. Nothing else like it.

I have a feeling the PolySix is an entirely different beast, so I should look out for one...

yes poly61 is closer to poly-800 than to polysix. DCOs and only one filter AFAIK. haven't had the chance to try one though. my poly-800 doesn't get much use since i got the juno.

  kokoon said:

yes poly61 is closer to poly-800 than to polysix. DCOs and only one filter AFAIK. haven't had the chance to try one though. my poly-800 doesn't get much use since i got the juno.

Aw hells no, none of that paraphonic shit here.

Poly61 is its own special beast, different to both the Six and the 800

Check the filter: